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Miyamotoo said:
Kristof81 said:
The revisions will be have minor changes. Also didn't the Nintendo say around year a go or so, that the NX is completely new hardware family? Personally I can see them instead of revisions, releasing new hardware, backwards compatible with the current Switch, every 1-3 years, like tablets or smartphones.

Look at PS4 Pro, or better look what Nintendo done with 3DS family, 3DS, 3DS XL, New 3DS, new 3DS XL, 2DS. You can expecting same thing for Switch, curent Switch, Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play, Switch just for home console play, Switch Pro, Switch 2...Switch is new platform and we will have multiple versions of hardware and addons that will be all part of same platform and supporting same games.

Or it could be bigger than that, an actual hardware ecosystem where you can upgrade as you please and games simply scale up. That is how Apple does it, and the Switch hardware (Tegra is upgraded basically every 14-18 months) allows that to be possible. 

3DS is the past, and not a great past at that. 



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Soundwave said:
Miyamotoo said:

Look at PS4 Pro, or better look what Nintendo done with 3DS family, 3DS, 3DS XL, New 3DS, new 3DS XL, 2DS. You can expecting same thing for Switch, curent Switch, Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play, Switch just for home console play, Switch Pro, Switch 2...Switch is new platform and we will have multiple versions of hardware and addons that will be all part of same platform and supporting same games.

Or it could be bigger than that, an actual hardware ecosystem where you can upgrade as you please and games simply scale up. That is how Apple does it, and the Switch hardware (Tegra is upgraded basically every 14-18 months) allows that to be possible. 

3DS is the past, and not a great past at that. 

But you already have that with New 3DS (in 3DS case just new games scale up) and now with PS4 Pro, and thats why I wrote Swtich Pro. Apple releasing multiplay new iPhones per years and thats normal for mobile phones, but you cant expect that Nintendo will release upgraded Switch versions so soon, maybe something like Sony done with PS4 Pro, after around 3 years.



Miyamotoo said:
Soundwave said:

Or it could be bigger than that, an actual hardware ecosystem where you can upgrade as you please and games simply scale up. That is how Apple does it, and the Switch hardware (Tegra is upgraded basically every 14-18 months) allows that to be possible. 

3DS is the past, and not a great past at that. 

But you already have that with New 3DS (in 3DS case just new games scale up) and now with PS4 Pro, and thats why I wrote Swtich Pro. Apple releasing multiplay new iPhones per years and thats normal for mobile phones, but you cant expect that Nintendo will release upgraded Switch versions so soon, maybe something like Sony done with PS4 Pro, after around 3 years.

I think the consumer should decide when and where to upgrade, not some arbitrary date. If newer chips are available, then use them. Sony/MS are moving to 14nm/16nm chips because last year was the first time they're really mass producable. 

Nintendo has an advantage in that their successor chip is basically already 100% complete (Tegra Parker) and not only that the successor to *that* chip is almost finished on top of that (Tegra Xavier), lol. Mobile tech is simply advancing much faster. 

I actually wouldn't have minded a Switch model being able to swap out the main processor entirely, like a cartridge almost or like the N64 RAM pack. These Tegra chips are tiny. 



Soundwave said:
Miyamotoo said:

But you already have that with New 3DS (in 3DS case just new games scale up) and now with PS4 Pro, and thats why I wrote Swtich Pro. Apple releasing multiplay new iPhones per years and thats normal for mobile phones, but you cant expect that Nintendo will release upgraded Switch versions so soon, maybe something like Sony done with PS4 Pro, after around 3 years.

I think the consumer should decide when and where to upgrade, not some arbitrary date. If newer chips are available, then use them. Sony/MS are moving to 14nm/16nm chips because last year was the first time they're really mass producable. 

Nintendo has an advantage in that their successor chip is basically already 100% complete (Tegra Parker) and not only that the successor to *that* chip is almost finished on top of that (Tegra Xavier), lol. Mobile tech is simply advancing much faster. 

I actually wouldn't have minded a Switch model being able to swap out the main processor entirely, like a cartridge almost or like the N64 RAM pack. These Tegra chips are tiny. 

Its on Nintendo to decide when is best time to release upgraded or cheaper version of Switch on market, not consumers. It's not point only about fact that never chips become available, for instance much more important is to look at need of market and to know how much product like that would sell in that moment, and there is definitely no need to release stronger Switch shortly after current one. In this case newer chips are just tools, not actual goal.

I would love some kind upgrade like N64, but I doubt we will see that because main unit is Switch itself.



Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:
      

Basicly on all that I gave you clear anwers. I dont ignoring anuthing but you actualy totaly ignoring clear facts.

You are one that ignoring facts like that Switch is totaly difrent compared to DS and 3DS, in case of DS and 3DS, both had smaller screens and smaller price points so there was sense to later release bigger or more expensive device, in Switch case you already have higher price point (you do realise that Switch has price point of console not of handheld) and big screen (you do realise that Switch screen is much bigger than New 3DS XL screen), so in Switch case totally make sense to release 1st smaller and cheaper version of Switch not bigger more expensive like in case of DS/3DS.

Offcourse you can take Joy Cons and make built in controls.

Thats just PR talk and if you actauly know NIntendo you would never pay atention of PR talk where they gave unspecific statments that could mean anuthing, "we always thinking about new handheld", doesnt means they work on one in that case they would just said "yes, we working on it", and even if they work you dont know what they mean when they say new handheld (completely new very unlikely, or smaller version of Switch almost certain thing). Use that statement like of proof of anything is ridiculous.

You also totally ignoring fact that actually Nintendo always had lower price points on market, just look curren or past gen, (price point from $100-300). Of Course that priorite for them will be to have lower price point for Switch also like replacement for 3DS price point.

PS4 is not hybrid it only home console, reality in Switch case is you have people who dont want to pay $300 for TV mode also if they only need handheld mode, or they want to pay $300 because they don't need handheld mode. I also started to you that comparison with Sony does not work, because Sony operating differently, look just how much different price points GB, DS and 3DS had compared to PSP and Vita that usually had just one price point, Nintendo always look to have multiple price points on market and to have low price points.

 

Those are thing I already wrote numerous times to you, but you totally ignoring them and its clear you dont know how Nintendo operates and think, so I really don't see point to reply you anymore or to continue with this.

Yes, you are ignoring how Nintendo operates.

Even if we look at 3DS after the price cut, they could have gone after that 99$ market, but they didn't.
And if you look closely, for GBA, DS, the cheap alternatives come last. For 3DS, the cheapest revision came in 2nd.

You see Switch being 300$ and you automatically assume that Nintendo HAS to go after the 200$ market, when they could just cut the price to 250 (holiday 2018, for example) and introduce a Pro for 300. This option is a better option as it makes them more money and keeps devs happy.
You don't realise, but you actually want Nintendo to cut into their profits as soon as possible, when their actions (overpriced accessories) show otherwise.
Even if there's a market who only wants to pay 200$, do you really think that a Switch at 250 won't absorb a large part of that market? It will.

For some reason, you think that Nintendo's priority is to make the cheapest option available right away, when history shows that it's not. GBA shows this, DS shows it and even 3DS shows it. So exactly why, it's me who doesn't understand how Nintendo operates? Because Switch is 300? 3DS was 169$ and they could have made a 2DS and chose a 3DS XL. See how cheap market is not a priority?
i'm showing why you shouldn't expect a Mini so soon - again, not that it can't happen - yet you ignore the past. Past that invalidates your reasoning.

The question is not if the controls are part of the console or if they can be taken off, it's about the tech.
That tech is expensive and if you don't take it out then you can't lower the price by 100$; if you take it out then you can't share the same library of games. Not to mention that without removable joy-cons you probably won't be able to share the library anyway.

You can ignore the fact that Nintendo assumed they aren't working on a handheld, all you want. Just remember that they admited to be working on new HW in 2014... 2014.
See the difference?

Maybe you should consider Nintendo's current strategy and see how a simple handheld (inferior without joy-cons and home gaming) relates to that.



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ICStats said:
dahuman said:

You also made Issac cry you cold bastard!

It's okay Issac, ignore ICStats' cold heart, I have a home for you here! T_T <3

I think the $39.99 price tag made him cry more than my coldness. :P

Sorry that I'm not poor? XD And neither are you lol.



Conina said on 23 March 2017:
zorg1000 said on 23 March 2017:

Switch Lite, 5" 720p screen w/built in controls, 4-8hr battery

September 2018, $199.99

That's the model I want... a Vita-sized Switch with good battery life.

I don't need detachable joycons (or even HD rumble) in a handheld... so if leaving these features out helps keeping the costs down and give more space for the battery, I'm all for it.

Good guess, Zorg1000.

Correct price and correct month, only the year was slightly wrong.



Conina said:
Conina said on 23 March 2017:

That's the model I want... a Vita-sized Switch with good battery life.

I don't need detachable joycons (or even HD rumble) in a handheld... so if leaving these features out helps keeping the costs down and give more space for the battery, I'm all for it.

Good guess, Zorg1000.

Correct price and correct month, only the year was slightly wrong.

Thanks man lol



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se7en7thre3 said:

As far as a potential mini design -  I suspect it would be something like the 2DS was (no hinge, no 3D), aimed at the younger crowd with less moving parts ie fused on controls  (so dock/controllers for external screen play  sold separate.).  Would essetially resemble a Vita or GBA. Switch LITE would be apropos, because it is cheaper and lacks the dock/joycons/grip etc. By next spring at the earliest, this type of model should be $199 to replace the 3DS shelf presence, but certainly less than $250.

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@RolStoppable
Do you see Nintendo adopting the policy of MS and Sony regarding revisions? Isn't more rational given NS hardware nature?
I mean a lite version ( we just got it ) and a pro version only, unlike 3DS which had five?
What do you expect?