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SuperNova on 17 March 2017
Puppyroach said:
bonzobanana said:
Unless early Switch's are using the standard chip but later stock will have a customised chip. Maybe all launch Switch's are actually dev kit Switchs with a retail firmware and later Switch's will be different. So many problems with the early Switch's, it's practically beta hardware. I also think there is the possibility (remote possibility) that final retail Switch's will only be 2GB not 4GB and currently only 2GB is being accessed. For early adopters they may benefit later with being able to run dev kit software with a hack. Ok none of this is likely but it is possible.

What are you talking about? This console is likely the fastest console on the market (in terms of UI) since the cartridge days of the 90´s. I know it´s only anecdotal but I haven´t had a single issue with it´s performance so far, which is also the case for a friend of mine who bought it. Getting from sleep mode to playing Zelda is only a few seconds.

This 'all 2,5m launch units are really just devkits and not finalized hardware' is pretty much debunked with the confimation that developers have access to three cpu cores and 3GB of ram for games. The rest is reserved for the OS. These specs aren't going to change anymore, except maybe to improve OS efficiency and free up more RAM and CPU (By moving the OS to the 4 smaller cores) for games.



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dahuman on 17 March 2017
Pemalite said:
dahuman said:
I honestly have no complaints about it since this is about the best mobile chip you can have on the market ATM, and the Switch has more RAM than all the counter parts.

It's actually not.

dahuman said:

What I'm surprised about however, is that the A53 cores are still in there instead of something else, that, is fucking weird. Which makes me wonder if Nvidia simply refused to change the design or if they changed the way the cache is accessed between the cores somewhere in there, but we'll never know until somebody puts Android or Linux on there then we'll find out for sure(I think it's just a stock X1 at this point for sure though.)

I would have rather Nintendo opted for four of the lowest powered CPU cores that they could get, and only had those. (Like 4x A53).
Then spent more transistors/TDP on the GPU.

I'm not talking just about pure performance, I'm talking about side support from Nvidia as well. Can you imagine the shit show it'd be if they went with something like a Snapdragon 821 or an Exynos 8890? The software engineering on Nintendo's part would be way shittier and most likely not as easy to dev for from 3rd parties.

That's a good thought on the second part for sure, they could have fit another SM in that space and the Switch would have 768GFLOPs in FP32 max in that case, though I wonder what kind of thermal it'd have in that configuration and if it'd have a CPU bottleneck considering that the performance difference between the A53 and A57 can be up to 5x+ depending on the situation. I can't help but think it's because of Nvidia that the SoC is in it's stock configuration at this point.



Pemalite on 17 March 2017
dahuman said:
Pemalite said:

It's actually not.

I'm not talking just about pure performance, I'm talking about side support from Nvidia as well. Can you imagine the shit show it'd be if they went with something like a Snapdragon 821 or an Exynos 8890? The software engineering on Nintendo's part would be way shittier and most likely not as easy to dev for from 3rd parties.

...And you could have retained the exact same support/software/tools from nVidia.
The Switch does not have the best SoC on the market.



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dahuman on 17 March 2017
Pemalite said:
dahuman said:

I'm not talking just about pure performance, I'm talking about side support from Nvidia as well. Can you imagine the shit show it'd be if they went with something like a Snapdragon 821 or an Exynos 8890? The software engineering on Nintendo's part would be way shittier and most likely not as easy to dev for from 3rd parties.

...And you could have retained the exact same support/software/tools from nVidia.

It's not the best SoC on the market.

I don't know the business backend but there is noway they didn't get some kind of deal in all this lol. Nvidia is pretty notorious about not giving out proper support outside of their own hardware other than physx for consoles which nobody even uses anymore. I'm surprised they even opened up physx for amd hybrid users in Windows 10. I don't think it's the fastest SoC when it comes to raw power, just good software support as usual, pretty much as good as you can get in this situation.



Pemalite on 17 March 2017
dahuman said:
Pemalite said:

...And you could have retained the exact same support/software/tools from nVidia.

It's not the best SoC on the market.

I don't know the business backend but there is noway they didn't get some kind of deal in all this lol. Nvidia is pretty notorious about not giving out proper support outside of their own hardware other than physx for consoles which nobody even uses anymore. I'm surprised they even opened up physx for amd hybrid users in Windows 10. I don't think it's the fastest SoC when it comes to raw power, just good software support as usual, pretty much as good as you can get in this situation.

The Switch is using Maxwell at 20nm Planar. It's old and out-dated.
It's almost two Tegra generations old now.



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zorg1000 on 17 March 2017
Scisca said:
d21lewis said:

People say that all the time but, to me, waiting 6 months to a year just to save what amounts to a movie with popcorn isn't worth it 

More like 5 movies with 5 popcorns, if it's just $50.

hahahaha.........no.

Its like $25 minimum for a ticket, popcorn & a drink 



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dahuman on 18 March 2017
Pemalite said:
dahuman said:

I don't know the business backend but there is noway they didn't get some kind of deal in all this lol. Nvidia is pretty notorious about not giving out proper support outside of their own hardware other than physx for consoles which nobody even uses anymore. I'm surprised they even opened up physx for amd hybrid users in Windows 10. I don't think it's the fastest SoC when it comes to raw power, just good software support as usual, pretty much as good as you can get in this situation.

The Switch is using Maxwell at 20nm Planar. It's old and out-dated.
It's almost two Tegra generations old now.

Huh? They don't even have a consumer variation of the X2 yet o_O; Though it would have been nice for them to use it for the Switch Here is hoping for a Switch+ soon lol. It would be nice to have a Xavier type once the cost gets lower but I doubt it since it's Nintendo and they will just go with X2 or something.



bigtakilla on 18 March 2017
zorg1000 said:
Scisca said:

More like 5 movies with 5 popcorns, if it's just $50.

hahahaha.........no.

Its like $25 minimum for a ticket, popcorn & a drink 

But that's not counting the price for used games. And the fact that the cheaper priced console will probably be bundled with something cool. $50 off next year for the console and $60 off for a game that's included, it's more like 4 and a half movies and popcorn but not exactly 5.



zorg1000 on 18 March 2017
bigtakilla said:
zorg1000 said:

hahahaha.........no.

Its like $25 minimum for a ticket, popcorn & a drink 

But that's not counting the price for used games. And the fact that the cheaper priced console will probably be bundled with something cool. $50 off next year for the console and $60 off for a game that's included, it's more like 4 and a half movies and popcorn but not exactly 5.

that has nothing to do with what i said



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bigtakilla on 18 March 2017
zorg1000 said:
bigtakilla said:

But that's not counting the price for used games. And the fact that the cheaper priced console will probably be bundled with something cool. $50 off next year for the console and $60 off for a game that's included, it's more like 4 and a half movies and popcorn but not exactly 5.

that has nothing to do with what i said

My bad.