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Renna Hazel said:
Perhaps you could explain what you think should be done to alleviate these issues?

If the king said. It's not avisable to explore too far from populated areas. I wouldn't of attempted to go that far. That would really be it. With open world games. I usually attempt to open up the map first. So I won't get fustrated with not seeing the layout. The cold and heat didn't really deter me, either. I just killed a lot of animals and stocked up on meat and arrows. And kept healing. Low stamina was the thing that made me realize. Yeah, I'm missing information. I need to go do the main quest stuff.

Alkibiádēs said:
archer9234 said:

That's not the point I was making. I wanted to just directly fight them. Or that the controls to drop food, was better. I've gotten caught, due to dumb issues with the stealth system. I had it once. Where I was able to engage the instant back kill. The game still read me as caught. And I was still able to kill him. Second, the caught mechanic shouldn't even be in the game. Once you get seen. It needs to just do game over. It's a waste of time, making you think you can try to fight your way through.

You can directly fight them... I killed them all and didn't bother with stealth. 

I obiously didn't have the equipment that you have.



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archer9234 said:
Renna Hazel said:
Perhaps you could explain what you think should be done to alleviate these issues?

If the king said. It's not avisable to explore too far from populated areas. I wouldn't of attempted to go that far. That would really be it. With open world games. I usually attempt to open up the map first. So I won't get fustrated with not seeing the layout. The cold and heat didn't really deter me, either. I just killed a lot of animals and stocked up on meat and arrows. And kept healing. Low stamina was the thing that made me relize. Yeah, I'm missing information on stuff. I need to go do the main quest stuff.

Hmm, the king does mention that Link is still weakened and advises you to talk to Impa before anything else. I guess he didn't use the exact wording you wanted...to each their own. Hopefully you still enjoyed the game. 



Renna Hazel said:
archer9234 said:

If the king said. It's not avisable to explore too far from populated areas. I wouldn't of attempted to go that far. That would really be it. With open world games. I usually attempt to open up the map first. So I won't get fustrated with not seeing the layout. The cold and heat didn't really deter me, either. I just killed a lot of animals and stocked up on meat and arrows. And kept healing. Low stamina was the thing that made me relize. Yeah, I'm missing information on stuff. I need to go do the main quest stuff.

Hmm, the king does mention that Link is still weakened and advises you to talk to Impa before anything else. I guess he didn't use the exact wording you wanted...to each their own. Hopefully you still enjoyed the game. 

I do. Just not how fast weapons break. That's the only complaint I won't let go of. Everything else, is me just doing things in an extreme fashion. You're talking to a guy. Who just walks around the world. Without bothering to use horses lol.



archer9234 said:
Renna Hazel said:

Yeah, I shouldn't use words like 'never', but it's true 99 percent of the time. the game does not force you to go off path. You may need certain clothing to access certain towers, but that's part of the path to accessing them. You do not need a minimum of 5 hearts to activate the towers, you CAN do it with 3, it would just be very difficult. Obviously if your goal is to go to every region of the world without ever upgrading, it will be very difficult, but you still can do it. You can fight Ganon right after the tutorial, but it would be very difficult to win. 

Obviously if you set some really difficult challenges as soon as you start the game, it will be much harder to do them without upgrading. I don't believe it's impossible though, save for maybe one tower that seemed rather difficult to scale (even then, there may be a way around it using the surrounding area. 

No. The endless tower, in the minning area, is impossible. With zero stamina upgrades. Same goes for the central tower. You must defeat the guardians. Unless you can fight with no proper arrows. You'll be cut off. The games forces you to find upgrades. If you try the towers, over everything.

Game doesn't force you, I got up the central tower fine without fighting the guardians, was too weak, used stealth potions.



archer9234 said:
JakDaSnack said:

Yup, but that's a preference thing, I like that the game encourages you to talk to npcs, and to try new things. If you follow the basic main storyline until you get the four divine beasts quest, you'll learn about elixirs and food, the guardian thing is an experimentation thing which the game encourages.  It sounds like you would prefer a tutorial that shows you everything from the get go, like on previous zelda's, that's cool if you like that, but not everyone does.  Some people like to figure it out for themselves, and that's the audience this game is geared towards.

Yes, but this is open world. If you walk into certain directions, you can miss a lot. Someone here didn't even know you could upgrade your inventory and had over 100 seeds. He simply didn't go to that one small area, on the haneto road. Or certain things won't be in that area. That you need. So the helpful info pickups give you. Isn't there. So you'll get stucl. I didn't want a tutorial. That was the whole point of me doing what I did. The point was: I did get blocked. Because, I didn't know what to do. So than I went back to the main area. By the time I figured it out. How to open up all the rest of the towers. I did 10 shrines, and completed one divine beast.

Kinda reminds me of what my dad told me he and his friends use to do with the original Zelda. Someone would figure out some incredibly cryptic puzzle or secret and share the info with everyone else. The info for all of this stuff could be found in the hint screen, or looking online. We have tons of sources for that stuff nowadays. Though I myself have only looked online for this game once or twice and have figured everything else on my own.



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rjason12 said:
archer9234 said:

Yes, but this is open world. If you walk into certain directions, you can miss a lot. Someone here didn't even know you could upgrade your inventory and had over 100 seeds. He simply didn't go to that one small area, on the haneto road. Or certain things won't be in that area. That you need. So the helpful info pickups give you. Isn't there. So you'll get stucl. I didn't want a tutorial. That was the whole point of me doing what I did. The point was: I did get blocked. Because, I didn't know what to do. So than I went back to the main area. By the time I figured it out. How to open up all the rest of the towers. I did 10 shrines, and completed one divine beast.

Kinda reminds me of what my dad told me he and his friends use to do with the original Zelda. Someone would figure out some incredibly cryptic puzzle or secret and share the info with everyone else. The info for all of this stuff could be found in the hint screen, or looking online. We have tons of sources for that stuff nowadays. Though I myself have only looked online for this game once or twice and have figured everything else on my own.

That's what I didn't want to do. Read a walkthrough.



Renna Hazel said:
MTZehvor said:

I'm not particularly concerned with people deciding to disregard certain opinions if they feel their experience has or is likely to be different. What does bother me is users, particularly in the video game community, trying to delegitimize a review for everyone simply because it doesn't line up with their opinion (perhaps the most notable recent example occurring with IGN's Uncharted 4 review). If you want to personally ignore a review because you don't think their experience won't line up with your own, or even if you suspect them of being dishonest, that's fine. But telling other people that they are definitively being dishonest (and therefore discrediting their opinion) with nothing to back it up besides your impression is something else entirely.

I laid out where I believe Jim is misleading people. You disagreeing with that is fine, but it's part of the basis for which I've formed my opinion. I could also point out Jim's little Horizon vs Zelda rant where he cherry picked information to paint one fanbase in a negative light. I'm sure you've seen this article

http://www.thejimquisition.com/the-sad-ghost-war-between-breath-of-the-wild-and-horizon-zero-dawn/

“So I guess Jim is going to use this comment section to justify how Zelda fans are toxic and all that, yet he still hasn’t commented on the Metabombing of the Metacritic user score by Horizon: Zero Dawn fans,” wrote one responder to The Jimquisition’s Breath of the Wild review.

This sentiment is not uncommon amongst those Zelda fans who genuinely are toxic, the fans I guess I’ll just call Fucking Slithering Pricks.

This is a sentiment almost anyone following metacritic has, and there is just as much evidence of Horizon fans "metabombing" Zelda BotW. Mathematically speaking, Zelda has a higher percentage of 'metabomb' scores than Horizon does. But this entire article was written to make one fanbase look bad regardless of the facts. I truly do believe he has something against the game and it's fans. 

At the very least, Jim has gone far beyond discrediting one's opinions and has gone on to directly insulting users on his site and Zelda fans (who believe the game is also being 'metabombed'). 

I'm sorry but I completely discredit the opinion on individuals who act like this, and I truly believe he's showing a VERY clear bias. It's fine if you disagree with me, but my accusation certainly is not baseless. 

Quite honestly, that sounds like nothing short of paranoia to me. Jim Sterling's a lot of things, and certainly not all of them positive, but one thing I'm sure we can both agree he's not is an internet policeman who will provide a hot take on every video game injustice. And chances are that, when it comes down to it, the fanbase that launced a DDoS attack on his website is probably going to go through a bit more scrutiny. And yet this is somehow supposed to suggest to me that he's just trying to make Zelda look bad? The series which he's given a 9.5 to a spinoff for and actively praised as a leader in providing worthwhile DLC?

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, though, that this article really was meant to make Zelda fans look bad. When I say "tangible evidence" that he is actively trying to mislead people (in regards to BotW's quality), I mean something that isn't just based off your impressions or whether you dislike the way he interacts with the fanbases. Plenty of major publication journalists are on less than friendly terms with certain political segments. As a personal example, I immensely disagree with many of New York Times' columnist Paul Krugman's assessments and am part of groups that he insults in far more sweeping terms than Sterling has (who still makes sure to distinguish that not all Zelda fans are hackers or metascore bombers). With that said, that isn't sufficient grounds for me to accuse him of lying or journalistic dishonesty. Why? There's a bunch of reasons, but the biggest one is that I have no sufficient evidence proving that he is incapable of keeping his opinions or biases from bleeding over into his writings which are intended to be objective.

This is entirely the same case here. You're attempting to extrapolate from what is essentially an opinion piece (with the opinion being that a certain portion of the Zelda fanbase are being children) and whatever other "impressions" you've formed about him as a person that he is deliberately lying and misleading the video game community. And no, this is not "tangible evidence." This is entirely circumstantial, and for a charge as serious as journalistic dishonesty, has no base on which to stand upon. As someone who's witnessed people legitimately getting removed from their position as a reporter for not meeting standards of integrity, I can assure you that it is, in fact, baseless.



If you say so. The guy comes off as biased to me, so I said so. I still believe he is and he clearly likes to rile up Nintendo fans. I'm not trying to out the guy from his job or anything. You're taking things a tad serious. My opinion on which reviewers have a bias (most of them) and which do not has no bearing on anything. If you think he's fair and just, great.



It certainly gives you a lot of options.



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irstupid said:
vivster said:

Which is what Jim did. All points in his review are valid opinions and the score reflects what's written in it.

He's not the guy who would let hate for a company come in the way of a proper critique. He gave MGS5 a 9/10 and he hates nothing more than Konami. Nintendo doesn't even come close to his disdain of Konami.

Yes, btu MGS5 is not Konami, it is Kojima. Let's see his reviews of any Konami game after Kojima left.

But the reason his review is being lambasted is not the 7 score. I and many others could care less about the 7. I mean there are lower scroes and the game is still a 97. Not many games can say that.

The reason he is being lambasted is because of the falacies in his review. He comes off, and always does, as a condescending jerk. He talks like he is superior to everyone else and all other reviewers adn gamers are blinded and wrong and he will tell us how he is right. Whether that is schtick or how he truly is, the point is, if you are going to come off like that you need to make sure there are no holes in your argument. There are a ton of holes in his critiques for this game. And any factual things are in the total nitpick area. Then the fact he comes out with a jimquisition less than a day after his review further proves he gave the score on purpose to get a reaction.

See I don't give a crap about the 6/10 or the other low one. Whatevs. They are nobody sites and as I said the game is a 97. Dont' care if 97 or 98, I have the game and I love it. But this Jim guy is a known bigger guy and thus its annoying when a person who shoudl be professional is doing a click bait. But I guess look at our MSM, they are click bait machines.

His review is very professional and validates his points. I even saw a clip of Zelda gameplay and that weapon durability thing looks annoying and constantly interrupts the flow of gameplay. Also the world looks empty compared to most modern open world games.

Jim is sassy but he always has a point. I have disagreed with his reviews such s Assassin's Creed 2 which he gave a 4.5 out of ten and is one of my favourite games of all time and Killzone 3 which he gave a 10 out of ten but I would give an 8 out of ten. Still the opinion he presented inthose reviews were accurate, like his complaints about Assassin's Creed 2's combat was accurate though that didn't bother me in the game but it did bother him. Also his Horizon Zero Dawn review is accurate and I agree with most of what he said in his review.