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Forums - Sales Discussion - Spain Week 9 Charts: Zelda Debuts 1st over Horizon (Switch Version alone) Attach Ratio close to 100%

LurkerJ said:
"This is the best launch for any console in Spain according to GfK. It beats the record set by PS4 (38k) in 2013."

Pretty minor/irrelevant market.



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NateH said:
LurkerJ said:
"This is the best launch for any console in Spain according to GfK. It beats the record set by PS4 (38k) in 2013."

Pretty minor/irrelevant market.

Still good news considering Spain is Sony territory and the PS4 came out in the holidays. 



jason1637 said:
Ali_16x said:

Bahaha, please stop. As if 99% of the people who bought a Switch didn't buy it for Zelda. It's a launch game, what do you think people who bought a Switch will buy? 1-2 Switch? Zelda is pretty much the first game people will buy.

"Horizon new IP or not is Sonys biggest game thus far this year" what does that have to do with anything? I mean it's a new IP, people aren't going to buy it just because the name, they're buying it because it's a good game. The name Horizon holds no weight, Horizon achieved what it did because it was a good game. I'm not saying Zelda isn't a good game but Zelda is Zelda, most people know of Zelda. 

Lmao, I seriously don't understand how you don't understand why Zelda outselling Horizon is not a big deal, it's just what it is, it's not surprising.

And now you go from 600k to a over a million, lol.... And of course you weren't trashing Horizon/PS4.

EDIT: Wait, you do understand but you just made that comment to stealth trash Horizon/PS4.

EDIT 2: Lol jesus, it's a 30 year old franchise vs a brand new IP.....just.....lol....

Well 99% of Switch buyers didnt byt Zelda theres I am Setsuna, Just Dance, Fast Racing RMX,Bomberman R, Shovel Knight, Snipperclips etc so its not like thye had to buy Zelda.

Well yeah people know about Zelda duh that and its almost perfect score is why it sold so well but thats like saying nobody knows about Horizon when its was higly marketed, and it got a pretty good score also plus a way larger install base.

It wouldnt be a big deal if the Switch had been out for a while but considering that Horizon came out on an install base of about a million compared to zelda on 45k then yea its a big deal. Why didnt the Wii U version outsell Horizon since Zelda name is so big?

I found that it sold 360k around OCT 2014 so i said its probably around 600k then i looked for more sales data and it sold 700k in Jan 2016 so its safe to say the PS4 is around 1ml in Spain.

No i didnt.

Lol jesus a 1mish install base vs a 45k install base

Yeah! That is insane! 



Pocky Lover Boy! 

Why are people playing surprise ?

One of the 2 cultest Nintendo game as thé only Big game on a new console launch against Horizon, à new IP among à lot of other games coming out since january and even others in march?

Seriously ? ( And Please stop that ridiculous argument about installbase, Uncharted 4 sold à lot better than Uncharted 3 despite thé huge différence of install base, only Because the name of thé studio became even more famous , so yeah this argument never meant anything , especially on such pointless comparison )

Thats obvious that Zelda would and should do better worldwide, thé opposite would bé quite worrying for Zelda name .

 

 

Édit : oh i see Someone already tried to put some common sense here 



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

RolStoppable said:
Aerys said:
Why are people playing surprise ?

One of the 2 cultest Nintendo game as thé only Big game on a new console launch against Horizon, à new IP among à lot of other games coming out since january and even others in march?

Seriously ? ( And Please stop that ridiculous argument about installbase, Uncharted 4 sold à lot better than Uncharted 3 despite thé huge différence of install base, only Because the name of thé studio became even more famous , so yeah this argument never meant anything , especially on such pointless comparison )

Thats obvious that Zelda would and should do better worldwide, thé opposite would bé quite worrying for Zelda name .

Is that so? I am pretty sure you were going on and on about how weak the Switch lineup is because Breath of the Wild is also on Wii U. You also predicted 20m lifetime for Switch as a best case scenario.

And now you are saying that it's obvious that the Switch version of Zelda alone would beat Horizon Zero Dawn on an installed base of 45k vs. over 1m.

But don't worry, I am not surprised that you changed your tune.

Considering i never talked about Zelda sales , your attempt to make believe i change m'y tune fails again.

I still think Switch will sell 30-35M at best( as i Said in my  last prédiction before release), and you have to learn the différence between à weak Line UP in term of exclusive games Made for thé Switch( because yes its weak, 1-2 Switch and Bomberman as exclusives, that has nothing to do with sales, it could sell 5M it wouldnt change that fact, until Splatoon as à certain quality game), what i was always talking about liké i clearly spécified, and thé sales potential of à Line UP, youll névér catch me saying Zelda wont sell à lot beczuse its simply not  true so dont lie, it was obvious as à Zelda it would get at worst 2M.

 

So stop trying to twist m'y words to serve your purposes.



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

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NateH said:
LurkerJ said:
"This is the best launch for any console in Spain according to GfK. It beats the record set by PS4 (38k) in 2013."

Pretty minor/irrelevant market.

It adds a lot to whole EU which is huge, this kind of mentality is why Xbox has become irrelevant, minor market here and there, all combined are bigger than the entire USA haha 



think-man said:
That's impressive, it's going to be a tight week! Can't wait to see who will come out on top worldwide overall, at the moment Zelda is winning more territories.

Japan: Zelda
UK: Horizon
Spain: Zelda
USA: ?
Rest of Europe: ?

I think here in the Netherlands Horizon may be ahead due to the hype around it being made from a local company. Not that we ever really know the numbers for here. Germany I think would be more interested in Zelda, USA its hard to say but my money is also on Zelda.

Horizon is winning FRANCE according to Amazon. And according to Amazon Zelda is on top in the US, CAN and GER regions.



Ali_16x said:
Jranation said:

Right! 

You two are actually surprised a 30 year old franchise is outselling a brand new IP on a console with pretty much only 1 "real" game? who knew.

EXACTLY!!!

Your fact right here is actually more impressive than the fact that PS4 has a LARGE userbase. A large userbase that is unsure of a game developed by a developer with a so-so track record. I think Horizon's sales will pick up once people realize just how fantastic it is!



RolStoppable said:
Aerys said:

Considering i never talked about Zelda sales , your attempt to make believe i change m'y tune fails again.

I still think Switch will sell 30-35M at best( as i Said in my  last prédiction before release), and you have to learn the différence between à weak Line UP in term of exclusive games Made for thé Switch( because yes its weak, 1-2 Switch and Bomberman as exclusives, that has nothing to do with sales, it could sell 5M it wouldnt change that fact, until Splatoon as à certain quality game), what i was always talking about liké i clearly spécified, and thé sales potential of à Line UP, youll névér catch me saying Zelda wont sell à lot beczuse its simply not  true so dont lie, it was obvious as à Zelda it would get at worst 2M.

 

So stop trying to twist m'y words to serve your purposes.

Ah, okay. You aren't someone who changes his tune on the whim, but your sales prediction for Switch got a 15m (75%) bump without any noteworthy new information between your original prediction and your revised one. And "weak lineup" is a purely opinionated statement formed by making up and bending definitions as you see fit.

The statements "the lineup is weak" and "sales records at launch for console and launch game are a given" don't go together. Do you realize that your explanation that "weak" is only meant in relation to very arbitrary rules is a concession that you've been negative about Switch for the sake of negativity?

There was à noteworthy new information : i tried it before launch .

No sorry Man, thats only in your head. Learn thé différence between being realistic and pointing flaws  and  just being négative without any argument .

But some people are définitely too sensitive when you give your opinion with argument, préfèr to attack you instead of just bring new arguments to thé discussion , easier to get rid of someone who doesr think liké you.

 

Do you réalisé that this is not m'y définition but the reality ? Weak being à kind word for it really. Stop being do défensive, à lot agree with this is really sad youll have to wait for Splatoon for a first big Switchonly game ( or Arms before if good, éven though i really dont feel this one ) . Exclusive games have never Been à " arbitrary rules", that has always Been the most important thing to make à console mandatory to play à certain game, thats what makes à console essential ( and why many think X1 isnt ). Thé fact is i buy Zelda on Switch because i like thé hardware despite its flaws , playing on it is really nice but its sad they didnt Make something else for Switch only ar launch, thé WiiU launch was much better in comparison with 3 exclusive games , Nintendoland, ZombiU, NSMBU. That is disapointing beczuse hardware wise Switch is much more interesting but i wont have anything to play until Splatoon ( or Arms Maybe ill buy to use it à bit )

And many consoles already showed that you can sell à lot with à weak Line up so no.



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

jason1637 said:
Ali_16x said:

Bahaha, please stop. As if 99% of the people who bought a Switch didn't buy it for Zelda. It's a launch game, what do you think people who bought a Switch will buy? 1-2 Switch? Zelda is pretty much the first game people will buy.

"Horizon new IP or not is Sonys biggest game thus far this year" what does that have to do with anything? I mean it's a new IP, people aren't going to buy it just because the name, they're buying it because it's a good game. The name Horizon holds no weight, Horizon achieved what it did because it was a good game. I'm not saying Zelda isn't a good game but Zelda is Zelda, most people know of Zelda. 

Lmao, I seriously don't understand how you don't understand why Zelda outselling Horizon is not a big deal, it's just what it is, it's not surprising.

And now you go from 600k to a over a million, lol.... And of course you weren't trashing Horizon/PS4.

EDIT: Wait, you do understand but you just made that comment to stealth trash Horizon/PS4.

EDIT 2: Lol jesus, it's a 30 year old franchise vs a brand new IP.....just.....lol....

Well 99% of Switch buyers didnt byt Zelda theres I am Setsuna, Just Dance, Fast Racing RMX,Bomberman R, Shovel Knight, Snipperclips etc so its not like thye had to buy Zelda.

Well yeah people know about Zelda duh that and its almost perfect score is why it sold so well but thats like saying nobody knows about Horizon when its was higly marketed, and it got a pretty good score also plus a way larger install base.

It wouldnt be a big deal if the Switch had been out for a while but considering that Horizon came out on an install base of about a million compared to zelda on 45k then yea its a big deal. Why didnt the Wii U version outsell Horizon since Zelda name is so big?

I found that it sold 360k around OCT 2014 so i said its probably around 600k then i looked for more sales data and it sold 700k in Jan 2016 so its safe to say the PS4 is around 1ml in Spain.

No i didnt.

Lol jesus a 1mish install base vs a 45k install base

Lol wow, you really never disappoint with your ridiculous posts. You're actually going to sit there and say that people actually bought a Switch for games other than Zelda? For one that makes no sense. The title literally says "Attach Ratio close to 100%". So what you're saying is already wrong.

And someone else pointed this out, Uncharted 4 sold more than Uncharted 3 with the PS3 having more units sold. Why? By your logic that's suppose to be super impressive, WOW(ing). No it really isn't, it's actually not surprising at all the Uncharted 4 sold more than UC3. 

You think if the PS4 launched with no games, no AAA multiplats like the Switch, and only Uncharted 4, that it wouldn't have a huge attach ratio? Lol please, of course it would. People buy a game with their new console, and it's pretty obvious the only choice for Switch owners is Zelda. You know, I've actually made this point before yet you haven't said anything about it, I wonder why.



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