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Would piracy for the Switch...

Kill it's potential 59 28.92%
 
Help with sales 113 55.39%
 
Other 32 15.69%
 
Total:204
think-man said:
Console makers need to find a way to make it impossible to access anything via a computer. If thats possible who knows lol

If that was possible they would have done it ages ago.



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Not any different from 3DS, Vita, Wii U, PS4, XBox One, etc. Hackers will always try their best to hack something.

It seems to me though these days, these systems are getting much harder to hack.



NATO said:

Thats the thing though, they're not findings related in any way to what was being discussed.

Imagine we were talking about apples, and someone kept jumping in to talk about bananas and insisting it was relavant "because they're both fruit", sure, if we were talking about bananas, it would be relevant, but in this case it wasn't.
Every time we tried to go deeper on the subject, he would ream off info about systems that did not match what we were talking about, and thus it added nothing to the debate.

Then I mentioned military technologies, such as using efuses to destroy sections of a chip if the system detects tampering, and rather than actually think about it and discuss, his response was more or less "haha military yeah whatever".

I didn't toss out any valid findings, I tossed out completely unrelated scenarios to the proposed approach, there's a huge difference.

You just amounted what he said with the "haha military, yeah whatever" as being nothing with the way you described his findings/response.

I'll take what you said into account, but in all hoensty, he's a knowlefgable eprson when it comes to tech talk. I mean if he's pretty "stupid" in this discussion, then where does that take you in PC type topics?, I haven't really seen you around the PC side of technology talks or giving out multiple speeches, does that mean you don't want to use google searches to help in making said speeches or are you just not interested in doing the same as he does?.

It reminds me of the whole rave about people on here gawking and going on about FLops, as if this was the old days with "blast processing" and how everyone talked as if they kenw exactly what it was and what it would do. 

You were talking of military tech previously, are you from an actual military tech division?.



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Chazore said:

 

You just amounted what he said with the "haha military, yeah whatever" as being nothing with the way you described his findings/response.

I'll take what you said into account, but in all hoensty, he's a knowlefgable eprson when it comes to tech talk. I mean if he's pretty "stupid" in this discussion, then where does that take you in PC type topics?, I haven't really seen you around the PC side of technology talks or giving out multiple speeches, does that mean you don't want to use google searches to help in making said speeches or are you just not interested in doing the same as he does?.

It reminds me of the whole rave about people on here gawking and going on about FLops, as if this was the old days with "blast processing" and how everyone talked as if they kenw exactly what it was and what it would do. 

You were talking of military tech previously, are you from an actual military tech division?.

I've a pretty storied background on hardware engineering for aerospace and military technologies, yes. And you won't see me taking an active part in most discussions regarding tech/pc/development because it's boring, it's like doing work in my downtime, when all I want to do is unwind.

And like I said, fine with people using google to ref info if it's related or at least shows some involvement, links to DVD logic board hacking on known systems with known chip pin outs, architectures and platforms when what's being debated specifically details that non of that is the case just annoys me because it isn't relevant



NATO said:

I've a pretty storied background on hardware engineering for aerospace and military technologies, yes. And you won't see me taking an active part in most discussions regarding tech/pc/development because it's boring, it's like doing work in my downtime, when all I want to do is unwind.

And like I said, fine with people using google to ref info if it's related or at least shows some involvement, links to DVD logic board hacking on known systems with known chip pin outs, architectures and platforms when what's being debated specifically details that non of that is the case just annoys me because it isn't relevant

You aren't unwinding then if you're taking up discussion of anything military related then. I would hardly call coming up with sollutions to anti piracy or hardware wise damage as "unwinding". 

I find it odd how you would cite one side as boring but the other not all that boring and something "unwind" with. The military and AS engineering all use PC's and their own set of hardware for their own solutions and innovations, so it's another odd thing to cite general talka s boring when the otehr is in relation to the otehr via using the same platform.

It should be fine, provided the refs are founded. Most people these days use Google and the other search engines out there to look up all kinds of information, so it should hardly be frowned upon in this day and age to ask a search engine for something. Hell there are math teaches these days that ask for students to use their calculators more often, compared to the old days when they only wanted you to use them for tests.

 

I get what you mean though.



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Chazore said:
NATO said:

I've a pretty storied background on hardware engineering for aerospace and military technologies, yes. And you won't see me taking an active part in most discussions regarding tech/pc/development because it's boring, it's like doing work in my downtime, when all I want to do is unwind.

And like I said, fine with people using google to ref info if it's related or at least shows some involvement, links to DVD logic board hacking on known systems with known chip pin outs, architectures and platforms when what's being debated specifically details that non of that is the case just annoys me because it isn't relevant

You aren't unwinding then if you're taking up discussion of anything military related then. I would hardly call coming up with sollutions to anti piracy or hardware wise damage as "unwinding". 

I find it odd how you would cite one side as boring but the other not all that boring and something "unwind" with. The military and AS engineering all use PC's and their own set of hardware for their own solutions and innovations, so it's another odd thing to cite general talka s boring when the otehr is in relation to the otehr via using the same platform.

It should be fine, provided the refs are founded. Most people these days use Google and the other search engines out there to look up all kinds of information, so it should hardly be frowned upon in this day and age to ask a search engine for something. Hell there are math teaches these days that ask for students to use their calculators more often, compared to the old days when they only wanted you to use them for tests.

 

I get what you mean though.

The debate was in purely theoreticals, even for military, custom languages, compilers and in house gpu/CPU are not used, so I was quite enjoying the debate.

Was being the operative word.



NATO said:

The debate was in purely theoreticals, even for military, custom languages, compilers and in house gpu/CPU are not used, so I was quite enjoying the debate.

Was being the operative word.

I would still hardly classify that as unwinding compared to the other subject matter that he oftenly talks about. 



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Chazore said:
NATO said:

The debate was in purely theoreticals, even for military, custom languages, compilers and in house gpu/CPU are not used, so I was quite enjoying the debate.

Was being the operative word.

I would still hardly classify that as unwinding compared to the other subject matter that he oftenly talks about. 

What does my unwinding have to do with what he usually talks about? I found the idea of debating the theoretical interesting, he wouldn't budge off of existing which dragged the debate into a field that I've no interest in, while I continued to actively avoid it.



NATO said:
Chazore said:

I would still hardly classify that as unwinding compared to the other subject matter that he oftenly talks about. 

What does my unwinding have to do with what he usually talks about? I found the idea of debating the theoretical interesting, he wouldn't budge off of existing which dragged the debate into a field that I've no interest in, while I continued to actively avoid it.

I was on about you finding one topic boring cvompared to the otehr and how you didn't want to "come home from work" to that sort of talk and wanted to "unwind". The talk of military anything isn't really an unwinding kind of topic. You find theoritical deabtes interesting , then you'd find it equally interesting if it had to do with other technological discussions.

You didn't like the field, yet you didn't want to go on with the discussion either, to see it through to the end and then move on, but instead you mocked (yes, yes tyou did before when you were talking to me, you amounted what he had said to mere mockery) what he had to say and tagged google searches as something else other than a source of information which most use it for.

 

If you wanted to avoid it completely, then all you had to do was bow out, but I hardly saw said bowing out, instead I saw a retort. Like now, if you come back at me with another argument as to how you wanted to avoid his topic, yet didn't and go any further than we've already gone, then you'll have to roll with the fact that you didn't like what he had to say, didn't bow out and instead decided to end it on a bad note.

Besides, in the end of all things, whatever someone invents, someone else can break apart or modify, unless of course you're from an alien world that sports never before seen tecvhnology that our minds can simply not comprehend, therfore not being able to break said tech apart let alone modify it the way we want to. It's not like one military out there can dominate all with a piece of tech, we've seen how war advances all forms of tech and eevryone can create their own as well as emulate/modify what others have already produced.

To cut it short, whatever military tech used to "kill" a device were to be used in something like the Switch, then people will simply take their sweet time experimenting with it, learning to modify or bypass it. Just look at what hackers have done and how they have progressed since the dawn of the computer/internet age, knowledge and skills, abilities to morph and modify tech isn't limited to just miltary, so whatever they can throw, someone else can modify/dismantle and learn from it. 

Or like Pem said before "say hello to China for me", because it's actually happened plenty of times before. Nothing is indestructible on this planet, tech or software. even if it's perceived as indestructible, it can be for a limited time, until someone or something eventually breaks away at whatever is seen as indestructible/unbreakable. 



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Chazore said:

I'm aware of all that, but to toss out his finding ebcause they don't line up with yours or ghim not being "in the field", shouldn't discredit his

I actually do understand hardware you know. People keep making the assumption it's not my "field". :P

NATO said:

Thats the thing though, they're not findings related in any way to what was being discussed.

That's a load of garbage, it was relevant.

NATO said:

I've a pretty storied background on hardware engineering for aerospace and military technologies, yes. And you won't see me taking an active part in most discussions regarding tech/pc/development because it's boring, it's like doing work in my downtime, when all I want to do is unwind.

And that is where we differ. I am an Enthusiast, I love hardware... I have loved hardware for decades.

NATO said:

And like I said, fine with people using google to ref info if it's related or at least shows some involvement, links to DVD logic board hacking on known systems with known chip pin outs, architectures and platforms when what's being debated specifically details that non of that is the case just annoys me because it isn't relevant

Whether it annoys you or not is not my problem.

I was providing examples to explain a point, it seems you have failed to comprehend that point. So I shall reiterate.

Regardless of the securty, how alien a system is, the precautions you take, it can all be circumvented. Always.

NATO said:

The debate was in purely theoreticals, even for military, custom languages, compilers and in house gpu/CPU are not used, so I was quite enjoying the debate.

Was being the operative word.

Hypotheticals or not. You cannot make something impossible to crack, especially when human intervention is involved.

For example, at a Nuclear Power plant, they had a non-networked computer for various tasks, it wasn't connected to the internet or any kind of network so it couldn't be exploited... But one of the staff needed to grab some data from it, plugged in a USB Flash drive... Unbeknownst to the staffer, the USB Flash drive was infected, which grabbed data and infected the non-networked computer quietly in the background.
The staffer then took the USB drive to a networked computer to look at the data, where the infected drive uploaded all the information to the internet.

Which reinforces my point, that nothing is impregnable, all things man made are prone to failure.

NATO said:

What does my unwinding have to do with what he usually talks about? I found the idea of debating the theoretical interesting, he wouldn't budge off of existing which dragged the debate into a field that I've no interest in, while I continued to actively avoid it.

You do have the option of not replying or participating in the discussion which you didn't do. Don't blame me for it.



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