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potato_hamster said:
StuOhQ said:

Don't the included instructions suggest letting it charge before setting up and playing? Or am I remembering incorrectly. I just charged the joycon for like 20mins first and then dove in. Didn't have to charge for ~4hrs. After that point, the joycon being charged has never even been a consideration. Once they're fully charged, there good to go unless you don't dock them overnight. 

How is that relevant? It still doesn't change the fact that if your joycon dies, there's no way to charge it and play TV mode at the same time out of the box.

But there is the charge dock controller? You can play docked even when joycons die..



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golfgt170 said:
potato_hamster said:

How is that relevant? It still doesn't change the fact that if your joycon dies, there's no way to charge it and play TV mode at the same time out of the box.

But there is the charge dock controller? You can play docked even when joycons die..

Ahh. Not a switch owner I take it? The controller dock that comes with the Switch doesn't charge the controllers It's just a piece of plastic with two metal rails.

You can buy one that does for $30.



potato_hamster said:
OTBWY said:

That's not what it says. It says that of Switch users, 20% plays it in TV mode exclusively, 30% plays it undocked primarely and 70% plays it in both modes regularly. The Switch updates that data as soon as you go back online. There is no other spin to it, it's exactly what it says and people are using it exactly as advertised.

First off - basic math: 20 + 30 + 70 = 120%. So you're not even reading the graph correctly. But furthermore, they actually explain their figures on the chart.

The actual numbers are: 18-19% with 80% time used in TV mode, 30% with 80% usage or mode in handheld mode, and 51-52% that don't use their Switch over 80% of the time in either mode.

"Figures for Nintendo Switch gameplay for registered Nintendo Account users, gathers via the Internet. Showing hardware where play time for either docked or undocked modes exceeds 80% as "gameplay in XX mode is primary". Source: Nintendo

So if 75% of Nintendo Switch users use their Switch in handheld mode 75% of the time, how would the chart look any different? it wouldn't.

I never added the total dude, they do overlap. If I said differently, I correct it now. Around 30 percent of Switch owners play undocked for more than 80 percent of the time and about 20 percent of switch owners play docked more than 80 percent of the time. But in between that, it shows that actually more people play it in variation. It does not say that the handheld mode is the overwhelming way of how people play. If they were, referring to your last comment, they would not have made that graphic that way and instead said outright that handheld mode is the dominating form. There would be no logic behind it otherwise.

And it all comes down to your own point, that it's a handheld, which is shown that it's not being used as primarily. Show me otherwise. What does the marketing sell it as then?

I'm really not going to bother with this any more. The argument was simple and now it got sidetracked into something way different.



potato_hamster said:
StuOhQ said:

Don't the included instructions suggest letting it charge before setting up and playing? Or am I remembering incorrectly. I just charged the joycon for like 20mins first and then dove in. Didn't have to charge for ~4hrs. After that point, the joycon being charged has never even been a consideration. Once they're fully charged, there good to go unless you don't dock them overnight. 

How is that relevant? It still doesn't change the fact that if your joycon dies, there's no way to charge it and play TV mode at the same time out of the box.

Because a 15 minute charge isn't a good enough reason to consider Switch primarily a handheld. If the console came with zero charge but the joycons came fully charged would that make it primarily a home console?



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Here's how I see it. I would be in that category of one who uses the Switch >80% undocked, but I still consider it a home console like a Wii or PS4 and not a portable (3DS/Vita). Why? 2 reasons.

First, the Switch has literally never left my home since I got it on release day. Even when undocked, it's only ever used in the house. Second, you can play multiplayer with a single console. Unless I'm mistaken, each player must have their own console in order to play multiplayer games with a portable console (there may be rare exceptions, but generally this is the case).

So to me, the Switch is a more flexible version of a home console, in that it can be played anywhere in the home and not just on one TV.



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potato_hamster said:
StuOhQ said:

Don't the included instructions suggest letting it charge before setting up and playing? Or am I remembering incorrectly. I just charged the joycon for like 20mins first and then dove in. Didn't have to charge for ~4hrs. After that point, the joycon being charged has never even been a consideration. Once they're fully charged, there good to go unless you don't dock them overnight. 

How is that relevant? It still doesn't change the fact that if your joycon dies, there's no way to charge it and play TV mode at the same time out of the box.

You are acting like your experience represents 100% of Switch customers.  I've seen most people say their joycons were charged at about 55% of full.  I don't remember having any problems playing my Switch straight off the TV on launch day.  But because for some reason, your joycons were drained, that must mean that "the Switch is a handheld, not a hybrid console".  The first Play Station I ever bought stopped reading discs the first day.  Does that mean Sony actually viewed their console as a paperweight first with very little regard to it actually being able to play games as well? 



potato_hamster said:
Is this what VGChartz is going to be now? Nintendo fans necrobumping of people having legitimate concerns over Nintendo selling a $300 handheld as some kind of smarmy "I told you so" moment?

The Switch isn't even a year old. It's got a long ways to go, and Nintendo still has to play a lot of its cards right in order to keep the momentum going and built on the initial success.

The funny part is that this is the same  guy who said horizon will kick zelda's ass so hard that aunoma will ask for retirement,,,,And Now his reputation is all over the ground with 2 very wrong projections.



OTBWY said:
potato_hamster said:

First off - basic math: 20 + 30 + 70 = 120%. So you're not even reading the graph correctly. But furthermore, they actually explain their figures on the chart.

The actual numbers are: 18-19% with 80% time used in TV mode, 30% with 80% usage or mode in handheld mode, and 51-52% that don't use their Switch over 80% of the time in either mode.

"Figures for Nintendo Switch gameplay for registered Nintendo Account users, gathers via the Internet. Showing hardware where play time for either docked or undocked modes exceeds 80% as "gameplay in XX mode is primary". Source: Nintendo

So if 75% of Nintendo Switch users use their Switch in handheld mode 75% of the time, how would the chart look any different? it wouldn't.

I never added the total dude, they do overlap. If I said differently, I correct it now. Around 30 percent of Switch owners play undocked for more than 80 percent of the time and about 20 percent of switch owners play docked more than 80 percent of the time. But in between that, it shows that actually more people play it in variation. It does not say that the handheld mode is the overwhelming way of how people play. If they were, referring to your last comment, they would not have made that graphic that way and instead said outright that handheld mode is the dominating form. There would be no logic behind it otherwise.

And it all comes down to your own point, that it's a handheld, which is shown that it's not being used as primarily. Show me otherwise. What does the marketing sell it as then?

I'm really not going to bother with this any more. The argument was simple and now it got sidetracked into something way different.

They do not overlap You're telling me the grey bar in the chart that goes from about 19% to 70% on the graph represents 70% of users?. if 30% play more than 80% of the time in handheld mode and 20% play more than 20% of the time in handheld mode, then how do " 70% plays it in both modes regularly" as you put it?

I didn't claim that most people play it in handheld mode. This is why this graph is crap.

Take both of these statements:

"70% of Switch owners play their Switch on their TV over 70% of the time"
"70% of Swtich owners play their Switch in handheld  mode over 70% of the time"

You can't prove either of those statements to be true or false using this graph.



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potato_hamster said:

How is that relevant? It still doesn't change the fact that if your joycon dies, there's no way to charge it and play TV mode at the same time out of the box.

Because a 15 minute charge isn't a good enough reason to consider Switch primarily a handheld. If the console came with zero charge but the joycons came fully charged would that make it primarily a home console?

It doesn't matter how long the controllers take to charge, and it doesn't matter what the charge of the joycons were when I got it. The fact that if my joycon dies I cannot play in docked mode using my TV out of the box is a solid reason that Nintendo is more concerned about the handheld experience than the tv one.

Please note, I didn't say it was the sole reason. It's one of many reasons why it's obvious that Nintendo designed the Switch to be portable first, and a home console second.

If Sony came out with new version of the Vita that came with a TV dock that synched with an included PS4 controller, a new high performance mode that displayed at a higher resolution image when docked, and TV hookups in the box, would that now be considered a hybrid console?

Last edited by potato_hamster - on 18 January 2018

potato_hamster said:
golfgt170 said:

But there is the charge dock controller? You can play docked even when joycons die..

Ahh. Not a switch owner I take it? The controller dock that comes with the Switch doesn't charge the controllers It's just a piece of plastic with two metal rails.

You can buy one that does for $30.

ofc i have a Switch and i was reffering at that accessory. not the standard inbox shell controller. What i meant, is that it's possible to game on docked even when joycons die :)