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Do you believe in evolution?

Yes 657 75.69%
 
Mostly, some things are questionable. 74 8.53%
 
No 99 11.41%
 
Not really, but some could be true. 38 4.38%
 
Total:868
LadyJasmine said:
Well I see it as fact but it is not 100% proven as that is why

It is called the Theory of Evolution and not the Law of Evolution.

But... it's not called the theory of evolution... It's called the theory of evolution by natural selection, assuming you're thinking of the theory Darwin initially proposed that we've built on.  This theory is not about whether or not evolution is a thing that actually happens, it's about how evolution happens.

Evolution simply means that traits change in a population over successive generations.  This is something we can see in nature and has been documented in labratory settings.  

Pemalite said:

 

JWeinCom said:

Eh... evolution is not a theory.  Like, I don't mean "it's not a theory because it's proven".  I mean it's just literally not a theory.  Like, there is no "theory of evolution".

False. It is a Theory.

You take a bunch of facts that have been derived from verified, peer reviewed observation and experimentation... You build a model around that, which then is used to build a Theory.

Theories are not a guess, they are reliable accounts.

The Theory of Evolution most certainly does exist, we have observed changes in animals in real time, we have built models and experiments around that, we then use that to forward the Theory of Evolution.

Pretty much the same resoponse.  I get the feeling you didn't read past my first sentence.

Evolution means that gene frequencies change over successive generations. As you just said, we have observed animals change in real time.  That is what evolution is and there's no question that it happens.  Evolution is not a theory, it's an observed phenomena.

There is no theory called "the theory of evolution".  There is "the theory of evolution by natural selection".  This is a model that explains the observable phenomena of evolution.  It doesn't address the question of whether or not evolution happens.  It addresses how the observable phenoma of evolution works.

Evolution is not a theory.  It's a thing that happens.  There are theories to explain it, but it itself is not a theory.



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smroadkill15 said:

When I say evolution, I mean the first vertebrate animals to homo sapiens. It doesn't matter to me if you do or don't, I'm simply curious. Feel free to post your feelings on why or why not. I would rather it steer clear of any unconstructive arguments. Please don't name call because someone doesn't agree with you. If you want to know more about why someone feels that way, ask them nicely. 

Thank you, have a nice day! 

2 questions for those we believe we came from apes...

1.  Where is the missing link or the half man half ape?  The middle of evolution is not there but only the most primitive monkey, and the most advanced man

2.  When and how did the monkey get a human conscience and morality, the capability for abstract thought like math, music, science, legal judgement..?



marioboy2004 said:
smroadkill15 said:

When I say evolution, I mean the first vertebrate animals to homo sapiens. It doesn't matter to me if you do or don't, I'm simply curious. Feel free to post your feelings on why or why not. I would rather it steer clear of any unconstructive arguments. Please don't name call because someone doesn't agree with you. If you want to know more about why someone feels that way, ask them nicely. 

Thank you, have a nice day! 

2 questions for those we believe we came from apes...

1.  Where is the missing link or the half man half ape?  The middle of evolution is not there but only the most primitive monkey, and the most advanced man

2.  When and how did the monkey get a human conscience and morality, the capability for abstract thought like math, music, science, legal judgement..?

To my knowledge we didn't come from apes, instead it's that we have common ancestors with apes.



VGPolyglot said:
marioboy2004 said:

2 questions for those we believe we came from apes...

1.  Where is the missing link or the half man half ape?  The middle of evolution is not there but only the most primitive monkey, and the most advanced man

2.  When and how did the monkey get a human conscience and morality, the capability for abstract thought like math, music, science, legal judgement..?

To my knowledge we didn't come from apes, instead it's that we have common ancestors with apes.

What about con (with) science... or conscience... where does evolution account for abstract thought, free will, morality, judgement, math, music... etc



marioboy2004 said:
VGPolyglot said:

To my knowledge we didn't come from apes, instead it's that we have common ancestors with apes.

What about con (with) science... or conscience... where does evolution account for abstract thought, free will, morality, judgement, math, music... etc

Well, it's not like we know everything. What we do know is that evolution exists, but it's not like every mystery has been uncovered.



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marioboy2004 said:
smroadkill15 said:

When I say evolution, I mean the first vertebrate animals to homo sapiens. It doesn't matter to me if you do or don't, I'm simply curious. Feel free to post your feelings on why or why not. I would rather it steer clear of any unconstructive arguments. Please don't name call because someone doesn't agree with you. If you want to know more about why someone feels that way, ask them nicely. 

Thank you, have a nice day! 

2 questions for those we believe we came from apes...

1.  Where is the missing link or the half man half ape?  The middle of evolution is not there but only the most primitive monkey, and the most advanced man

2.  When and how did the monkey get a human conscience and morality, the capability for abstract thought like math, music, science, legal judgement..?

1.  We didn't.  We have a common ancestor with apes.  

2.  It didn't.  We didn't evolve from monkeys either.  The capability for abstract thought is not a uniquely human trait.  Crows, dolphins, cats, dogs, and even baby ducklings show the capacity for abstract thought.  Pigs can play videogames.

Humans are much better at it because our forebrains are more developed compared to other animals.  This capability is absolutely 100% dependent on this area of the brain.  When this part of the brain is damaged, we lose that ability.  Look up Phineas Gage for instance.



JWeinCom said:
Pemalite said:

 

False. It is a Theory.

You take a bunch of facts that have been derived from verified, peer reviewed observation and experimentation... You build a model around that, which then is used to build a Theory.

Theories are not a guess, they are reliable accounts.

The Theory of Evolution most certainly does exist, we have observed changes in animals in real time, we have built models and experiments around that, we then use that to forward the Theory of Evolution.

Pretty much the same resoponse.  I get the feeling you didn't read past my first sentence.

Evolution means that gene frequencies change over successive generations. As you just said, we have observed animals change in real time.  That is what evolution is and there's no question that it happens.  Evolution is not a theory, it's an observed phenomena.

There is no theory called "the theory of evolution".  There is "the theory of evolution by natural selection".  This is a model that explains the observable phenomena of evolution.  It doesn't address the question of whether or not evolution happens.  It addresses how the observable phenoma of evolution works.

Evolution is not a theory.  It's a thing that happens.  There are theories to explain it, but it itself is not a theory.

You stated it was not a theory. I stated it was a theory... And then you continue to state it's not a theory. Ergo. Not the same.

If someone says "The Theory of Evolution" that does generally include everything under that heading, including Natural Selection... And also includes other aspects of evolution that isn't Natural Selection such as Nature of Inheritance.

Ergo, The Theory of Evolution is indeed a real thing.



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JWeinCom said:
marioboy2004 said:

2 questions for those we believe we came from apes...

1.  Where is the missing link or the half man half ape?  The middle of evolution is not there but only the most primitive monkey, and the most advanced man

2.  When and how did the monkey get a human conscience and morality, the capability for abstract thought like math, music, science, legal judgement..?

1.  We didn't.  We have a common ancestor with apes.  

2.  It didn't.  We didn't evolve from monkeys either.  The capability for abstract thought is not a uniquely human trait.  Crows, dolphins, cats, dogs, and even baby ducklings show the capacity for abstract thought.  Pigs can play videogames.

Humans are much better at it because our forebrains are more developed compared to other animals.  This capability is absolutely 100% dependent on this area of the brain.  When this part of the brain is damaged, we lose that ability.  Look up Phineas Gage for instance. account for human conscience, free will

So how does evolution account for human conscience?  any evidence or do I have to have a lot of FAITH



Pemalite said:
JWeinCom said:

Pretty much the same resoponse.  I get the feeling you didn't read past my first sentence.

Evolution means that gene frequencies change over successive generations. As you just said, we have observed animals change in real time.  That is what evolution is and there's no question that it happens.  Evolution is not a theory, it's an observed phenomena.

There is no theory called "the theory of evolution".  There is "the theory of evolution by natural selection".  This is a model that explains the observable phenomena of evolution.  It doesn't address the question of whether or not evolution happens.  It addresses how the observable phenoma of evolution works.

Evolution is not a theory.  It's a thing that happens.  There are theories to explain it, but it itself is not a theory.

You stated it was not a theory. I stated it was a theory... And then you continue to state it's not a theory. Ergo. Not the same.

If someone says "The Theory of Evolution" that does generally include everything under that heading, including natural selection... And also includes other aspects of evolution not related to natural selection.

Ergo, The Theory of Evolution is indeed a real thing.

I meant the same response as I gave Jasmine.

When someone says the theory of evolution, they are erroneously referring to something that does not exist as an actual scientific theory.

If you mean that there is a theory of evolution in the sense that people use that phrase, then yeah I guess.  If you mean that there is an actual scientific theory called "the theory of evolution" then no it isn't.  There are several different theories explaining evolution the most prominent is the theory of evolution by natural selection. 

The theory of evolution is a misnomer.  It's a misnomer that suggests evolution itself is in question, so it should be avoided.  



marioboy2004 said:
JWeinCom said:

1.  We didn't.  We have a common ancestor with apes.  

2.  It didn't.  We didn't evolve from monkeys either.  The capability for abstract thought is not a uniquely human trait.  Crows, dolphins, cats, dogs, and even baby ducklings show the capacity for abstract thought.  Pigs can play videogames.

Humans are much better at it because our forebrains are more developed compared to other animals.  This capability is absolutely 100% dependent on this area of the brain.  When this part of the brain is damaged, we lose that ability.  Look up Phineas Gage for instance. account for human conscience, free will

So how does evolution account for human conscience?  any evidence or do I have to have a lot of FAITH

What's your alternative? Are you asking these questions because you're curious, or because you have another belief that would conflict with evolution?