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Aura7541 said:
VGPolyglot said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1153570/Cop-fatally-shoots-man-running-away.html

There, I gave you another example. So now it's plural. And did you read the end of my phrase? I mentioned most cops not doing it, but blacks know that there are some cops that do it, and blacks know that, so when they see police they might panic and generally act in a different way than they normally would, and of course that could cause the police officer to panic as well, and when they have a gun they're probably going to use that as it's the most lethal.

Again with the generalizations, this time referring to blacks. There are blacks who comply with the police and nothing happens. How do you quantify how many blacks actually feel the way you describe?

Secondly, if someone is running away, the officer is less likely going to panic because in this context, the one running away is not the aggressor. This is different in a scenario where a person charges at an officer with a knife, where the knife wielder is indeed the aggressor. There are also rules that prohibit officers from exercising excessive force and if excessive force does occur, then that officer will be put to court.

Yes, and I said they might panic, I didn't say they will panic.

And yes, there are rules that are supposed to prohobit them from using excessive force, but not every police officer has a body cam so we don't always know when police brutality occurs.



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I imagine more non-soldier Americans live in Chicago than in Iraq and Afghanistan...



Americans are afraid to leave their houses. It's like a warzone in that country. What a disaster.



Talal said:
Americans are afraid to leave their houses. It's like a warzone in that country. What a disaster.

My uncle lives in Detroit, and he has security cameras around his house because a lot of his family tries to break into his hosue while he's not there.



Poverty and gangs. The government needs to work on that in Chicago. The two biggest problems in the states is the Detroit water crisis and the Chicago death rate. People will react to poverty no different than they would if they were in a third world situation.



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VGPolyglot said:
It's pretty ironic considering how Trump lambasted Sweden for its problems with crime when the United States is much worse off.

That's not at all ironic. He called out Sweden on the specific issue of massive migration leading to crime and social problems. Which it does.

Nothing about that says the US doesn't currently have OTHER crime and social problems. It does. He's just saying why on earth would you add to it further?



I been to Chicago, nice city but I think the crime and segregation is a very negative part of the city.

The issue is Chicago is a big democrat city ruled by corrupt mayors and leaders for decades and is now a city with extreme income inequality, where one side of the city is growing with great culture and diversity and another is segregated and crime ridden.


Imo Chicago likely requires some real leadership to help clean it up from all the corruption that exists.



VGPolyglot said:
think-man said:
Get rid of guns and crimes will drop ten fold.

I'd say that inequality is a bigger problem. I'm not too keen on the police having a monopoly on guns when there are so many cases of police brutality and police shootings.

And how do you suppose guns being in people's hands would help the police brutality issue. If anything, cops shooting people who actually have loaded guns on them gives the cops a free pass on them killing a civilian. The only time there is public outrage is if the civilian person was unarmed. Although there was that one time when that armed group took over a national park services office and their leader was shot because he was brandishing a gun and people got all upset about the cops killing him, though he was white. So cops killing armed white people behaving in a threatening way seems to be a bad thing.



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The root of Chicago's crime problems come from poverty. So to reduce crime, there, you have to reduce the poverty. It will do jack shit to increase law enforcement. Police officers can't bring people back from the dead.



Teeqoz said:
The root of Chicago's crime problems come from poverty. So to reduce crime, there, you have to reduce the poverty. It will do jack shit to increase law enforcement. Police officers can't bring people back from the dead.

Why not reduce poverty and get cops back into bad areas.

 

That is why a city like Toronto even with so much poverty avoid massive crime issues.