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Forums - Politics Discussion - Germany hate crime: Nearly 10 attacks a day on migrants in 2016

outlawauron said:
Lafiel said:

typical

first the nationalists make it extremely tough for immigrants to settle into the society, place them into ghettos, give them shitty education and refuse them jobs (french "integration" in a nutshell) and then they use the results of futurelessness and hopelessness (high crime) to further advance their narrative of immigrants being incompatible with their society

pathetic and disgusting

So the French nationalists are to blame? I know about their only right wing party, but they've never won anything significant. How can you blame them for something they did not control.

I don't mean the party, I mean nationalistic people that see every immigrant (especially from certain origins) as burden/threat

and those are in every party and have led the country for decades



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Saeko said:
numberwang said:
Crime rates among native Germans (and most Westerners) are quite low in a global comparison.

I have found a comparison for France: the prison population is estimated to be 70% Islamic, while being ~13% of the population.

What is going wrong in France's prisons?
France's prison population is estimated to be 70 per cent Muslim

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11352268/What-is-going-wrong-in-Frances-prisons.html


Just to story one case, a school master got beaten, because him was saying i am your shools master to some kid near a school, and some muslim beaten him down saying the only master is Allah....

https://fr.gatestoneinstitute.org/9551/france-partitionne

Lot immigrant not respect woman, or autorities when they be the newcommer. but when they come they have no info too on this. they should have a study on the matter when come in.

Annecdotal evidence is and will remain worthless. You can find a story, several stories, to support any rhetoric you want to - the world is just that big.



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palou said:
Saeko said:


Just to story one case, a school master got beaten, because him was saying i am your shools master to some kid near a school, and some muslim beaten him down saying the only master is Allah....

https://fr.gatestoneinstitute.org/9551/france-partitionne

Lot immigrant not respect woman, or autorities when they be the newcommer. but when they come they have no info too on this. they should have a study on the matter when come in.

Annecdotal evidence is and will remain worthless. You can find a story, several stories, to support any rhetoric you want to - the world is just that big.

Yeah its annecdotal,  i could find ton more, but what the point ? him asked why more muslim in prison in france, so i showed and have give a explain, but what you done but argue about nothing, have any explaination ? i am open minded. and ALL my friend is migrant in swiss and not have a single swiss friend, so its not like i am against them.



GribbleGrunger said:

What do people expect? Immigrants have been killing, raping and attacking Europeans for years now while the press and the governments cover it up. Go back to your fluffy little world and let the people who have to suffer this reality deal with it.

Applying a general behaviour to a diverse group when only a small percentage commit crimes is the very definition of bigotry, just saying.

OT: This is what happens when ultra nationalists spread fear and intolerance and ignorance. We need more liberal forces to oppose this trend and actually argue for more open borders and inclusion, not the opposite.



Puppyroach said:
GribbleGrunger said:

What do people expect? Immigrants have been killing, raping and attacking Europeans for years now while the press and the governments cover it up. Go back to your fluffy little world and let the people who have to suffer this reality deal with it.

Applying a general behaviour to a diverse group when only a small percentage commit crimes is the very definition of bigotry, just saying.

OT: This is what happens when ultra nationalists spread fear and intolerance and ignorance. We need more liberal forces to oppose this trend and actually argue for more open borders and inclusion, not the opposite.

you are talking to the guy that posts threads about all the loaded/biased anti-immigrant articles from right wing media - you can't reach that with words anymore



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Puppyroach said:
GribbleGrunger said:

What do people expect? Immigrants have been killing, raping and attacking Europeans for years now while the press and the governments cover it up. Go back to your fluffy little world and let the people who have to suffer this reality deal with it.

Applying a general behaviour to a diverse group when only a small percentage commit crimes is the very definition of bigotry, just saying.

OT: This is what happens when ultra nationalists spread fear and intolerance and ignorance. We need more liberal forces to oppose this trend and actually argue for more open borders and inclusion, not the opposite.

Agree with you, but they need get work for everyone, and atm there is more and more unwork ppl, so ultra nationalists have easy time to spread fear.



Just a side note because of this 'criminal immigrant' bullshit. Right now immigrants and refugees overall aren't more criminal than the average German. At the same time there are some groups, partially from other EU countries, that commit lots of crime.

Violence from as well as against refugees and migrants should not be tolerated.



Well, most attacks on migrants are from migrants. As example in the first 9 month of last year, migrants killed 44 people, 6 of them were Germans and 38 of them were other migrants. I guess if we talk about violence against migrants, the stats look similar. Most will come from other migrants because that are the people who see each other every day. 

Every attack is bad but most of them (on people, not those on the buildings with swastikas) are not from "Nazis"

What people always seem to forget is the situation. The numbers are high but stuff like that simply happens if you put hundred people in a hall to live there together for months or something. The situation is totally different to where everyone has his own house and doesn't clash against other people on a daily basis.

As more people have to live together on small space, as more of this you will see. It's still sad but foreseeable, it will happen with every group of people. Same like you always hear about rapes in cloisters or other accomodations where many live together. 



Saeko said:

Just want to say something on this quote first :

"Nazis are threatening refugees and therefore our democracy."

In a democracy you ask the people if they want open the door to this full migrant, merkel opened door without asking anyone, so where the democracy they talk about ?


Now, its really bad, Attack on migrant, attack from migrant, every single one is bad, well attack on anybody is bad.

Not really. You think that Presidents/Prime ministers/etc ask their people what they think every time before they make an important decision? It's just not how it works.



monocle_layton said:
Yeah I'm not even gonna bother with this thread. It's gonna go downhill quick with anti-migrant vs pro-migrant arguments that will turn into insults and anecdote-driven statements.

I would however like to see statistics for migrants, natives, races, gender, age, etc. I think the information is too broad to draw a valid conclusion

Even statistics can be very misleading. Of course if you're so poor that you don't have enough to feed your family or live in an area with high crime you're likely to commit a crime. Same with black people in America. Give them a fair start and I doubt they'd be any worse than white folks.