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Slightly off topic - but the importance of context is everything. I'm pretty sure when in the article linked by the OP, the quote by Milo in it mentions the word "boys" many times, Milo was meaning "boy" as in context of when he was 17 and his first "adult" relationship with an older man. Apparently in the gay culture of the time or even now, according to Milo, the term "boy" is often used when an older man has a relationship with a younger man but in this context a legally consenting younger man, and usually that is what "they" mean by "boy". Not literally a boy.

Since in the same conversation he had at the time, he also shared the tragedy of his first illicit molestation, and I believe he was comparing the two (perhaps naively) and it got conflated.

But People are going to believe what they want to believe and at the end of the day it's up to the listener to believe Milo or not. This I know - there is no way legally anyone could be convicted as a paedophile based on what I saw in Milo's interview.

I then saw a video the next day of George Takei sharing his first sexual encounter at 13 and it was pretty eye raising, to say the least.



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johnsobas said:
jesus christ this thread has become a major cringe fest. Losing faith in humanity.

You think this is bad? Try seeing the Switch battery life thread and the Trump=sexism thread as well. You'll definitely hate yourself for doing so



deskpro2k3 said:

People should know by now that Bill Maher, is a comedian

This^^^^^^^^



thismeintiel said:
VGPolyglot said:

He's also a warmonger. For example, in this video he supports the Vietnam War and the death of troops, even if they have no strategic importance, just to just a point. Yeah, I doubt that he'd want to get killed in action just to show a point.

The sad thing is that he is obviously just playing politics here.  Vietnam was entered, beyond an advisory role, by Kennedy and ramped up exponentially by LBJ, both Dems, so I guess to Maher that automatically makes the war just.  And it's ridiculous for him to suggest Reagan had nothing to do with ending the Cold War.  I mean what does the Vietnam War, which ended with us withdrawing in 1975, have anything to do with the Cold War ending almost a decade and a half later?  Especially when it was reescalating during the Carter and early Reagan administrations.  Completely biased.

Actually Reagan pretty much had nothing do with the end of the Cold War the Soviet Union already was in a rapid decline by the late 70s.  Reagan military buildup in the 80s was a giant waste of money on par with the two unecessary wars started by Bush.



thismeintiel said:
Nem said:

Look, i already said that in general i agree with that. I just don't have the grounds to validate or not your claims in terms of brain development, but i find it hard to believe that there aren't overdeveloped 12 year olds when that is an expectable puberty age. But fair enough, i give you the benefit of the doubt.

What i know is that there was a boy and a woman that really wanted to be and have a family together and i can not in my god nature just tell them no, its wrong, even though your bodies and minds seem clealy prepared for it. Why would it happen twice man? If it was a mistake, and she went to prison and i am pretty sure he saw the consequences right there as no doubt judges, lawyers and family no doubt explained extensively, and 2 years later they decided to have another child. I dunno. 

That is why i can't see it just as casual impulse sex as you do. To me, it's clear that there is more to this story and more than upholding some unclear line on morals, i prefer to look at the particular situation itself.

I don't think Mahr endorses pedophilia just because he can see that there is something particular about that case.

You do realize that that teacher was already eyeing that kid even before he was 12.  I believe he was in 2nd grade when she first started showing interest in him.  Talking about how mature he seemed for his age.  The fact is she had some sick fascination with this boy, for whatever reason.  Whatever the reason she told herself, it's wrong.  If it was truly for "love," as some liberals want to say, then she should have felt enough for him to actually allow him to mature to the point where he could make his own decisions. 

But, nope, the second he can achieve an erection, she's jumping on that.  Cheating on her husband and their 4 kids in the process.  She was even going to flee the country, abandoning her husband and children.  That's not love, that's an unhealthy obsession.  And now, she is all that boy (now, a man) knows.  Who knows if he had actually matured enough mentally, he may have found out he wanted someone closer to his age.  Or maybe he still would have wanted her.  Sadly, he was never given that option.

People can try to rationalize with the hippie logic "we can't judge anyone," but that's how criminals and sickos go free.  Luckily, the judicial system doesn't work that way.

Edit: I'm kinda curious if both of them would have been so eager to see their once 12 year old daughters getting knocked up by a 34 year male teacher.  Something tells me I don't think they would just be calling it love.  Then, again, they just may.

Sure, i agree with all that. But why did they go and make another baby 2 years later?



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Nem said:
JWeinCom said:

Dude... do you know what have sex means?  It means have sex.  How did I imply anything beyond having sex?  You're the one adding stuff... and the stuff you're adding doesn't change the fact of the matter.  I'm pretty confident in saying that deciding to have a child with a woman who has a husband and four children, knowing there is a pretty good chance the husband will know it isn't his, knowing that your child may look samoan which would probably raise some hard questions, and knowing that one of you is twelve and the other is commiting a felony that may put her in jail, knowing that there is a good chance that neither parent will be able to raise the child... would be a pretty bad decision.  I think that's a good demonstration of a twelve year old's capacity to make good choices and think about long term consequences.  

I don't need to open my mind because, unlike you, I actually have studied child psychology and development.  Mind was open, and then filled with actual knowledge.  I've explained the concepts to you.  Synaptic pruning, myelination, these things are completed within a range of ages.  Earlier for some, later for others, but 12 years old is completely out of range.  

It is similar to running.  Every human runs a mile at a different pace.  A slow person might run it in 12 minutes.  A fast person might run it in under five minutes.  But no human can run a mile in two minutes. That's outside the range of possibilities.  Having a fully developed prefrontal cortex that is adequetely connected to the limbic system, has completed synaptic pruning, and is fully myelinized at age 12 is the equivelant of running a 2 minute mile. I don't need to judge it on a case by case basis because I actually know something about brain development and the range of possibilities.

I'm sure (at least I hope) that you don't think it's ok to have sex with a six year old.  If you agree to that, then you realize that there is a cutoff point where age alone is enough to determine whether or not its ok.  You just don't know enough about brain development to know where the appropriate cutoff is.  As someone who has worked with 11 and 12 year olds, I can tell you that they can often seem incredibly mature and rational...  until suddenly they aren't.  It's easy sometimes to forget they're just kids, but they will remind you at some point.  

 

And of course, Bill Maher had no reason to believe this was a special case.  Without any special knowledge he endorsed it.  Curious how you didn't take issue with him endorsing pedophilia with limited information, yet you take issue with me condemning it.

Look, i already said that in general i agree with that. I just don't have the grounds to validate or not your claims in terms of brain development, but i find it hard to believe that there aren't overdeveloped 12 year olds when that is an expectable puberty age. But fair enough, i give you the benefit of the doubt.

What i know is that there was a boy and a woman that really wanted to be and have a family together and i can not in my god nature just tell them no, its wrong, even though your bodies and minds seem clealy prepared for it. Why would it happen twice man? If it was a mistake, and she went to prison and i am pretty sure he saw the consequences right there as no doubt judges, lawyers and family no doubt explained extensively, and 2 years later they decided to have another child. I dunno. 

That is why i can't see it just as casual impulse sex as you do. To me, it's clear that there is more to this story and more than upholding some unclear line on morals, i prefer to look at the particular situation itself.

I don't think Mahr endorses pedophilia just because he can see that there is something particular about that case.

The brain develops differently from the rest of your body. The brain is more complex than any other part of our body by several orders of magnitude.  Everything else in our body is pretty much developed by the time we're like two years old, and it's just a matter of size after that.  Sexual characteristics, which are controlled mostly by hormones.  If there is a hormone imbalance, puberty can actually happen as early as 5 years old in girls.  

So, just because the body can be ready to reproduce (which has happened in five year old girls) doesn't mean the brain is developed enough.  Again, it is possible for a brain to be overdeveloped, but not to that great an extent.  If it did happen (which I don't know that it could) we'd be talking about a once in a generation genius.   And this is not even accounting social development which obviously related directly to time.

Why would it happen twice?  Don't know and it doesn't matter.  I do TONS of stupid shit in my life more than twice.  Particularly when sex is involved and hormones cloud rational thought.  People are especially likely to make stupid decisions when it comes to sexual matters.  We see girls going back to abusive boyfriends time and time again.  We see guys get taken advantage of by girls for years on end.  People do dumb shit all the time, but it really doesn't matter.  When the initial act occured, he was 12.  Anything that happens after the crime was committed is irrelevant.

I'm not sure why you keep shoving words into my mouth.  I never said it was a casual impulse sex.  And I don't care.  If someone is truly and deeply in love with a five year old and they are truly and deeply convinced the five year old loves them back and is mentally capable of a sexual relationship does not make it ok in any capacity.  Obviously a 5 and a 12 year old are mentally worlds apart, but my point is that whether it was casual sex or a long term relationship is completely irrelevant to whether or not the child was capable of consent.  Two totally different issues.  

Show me anything that Maher said that indicates he thought this was an exceptional case.  Nothing he said indicates that.  I actually like Maher, but his comments here are totally wrong, and kind of disgusting.



Chris Hu said:
thismeintiel said:

The sad thing is that he is obviously just playing politics here.  Vietnam was entered, beyond an advisory role, by Kennedy and ramped up exponentially by LBJ, both Dems, so I guess to Maher that automatically makes the war just.  And it's ridiculous for him to suggest Reagan had nothing to do with ending the Cold War.  I mean what does the Vietnam War, which ended with us withdrawing in 1975, have anything to do with the Cold War ending almost a decade and a half later?  Especially when it was reescalating during the Carter and early Reagan administrations.  Completely biased.

Actually Reagan pretty much had nothing do with the end of the Cold War the Soviet Union already was in a rapid decline by the late 70s.  Reagan military buildup in the 80s was a giant waste of money on par with the two unecessary wars started by Bush.

LMAO!! It was in such rapid decline in the late 70's, it took 15 years for it to finally end.  Funny how in the 80's is when they were building themselves up militarily, with even more warheads than the US had.  It was that uncontrolled spending that helped speed up their downfall.  But, the left can try to continue to rewrite history to give him no credit.  I guess I'll just use their logic and give Obama absolutely no credit in bagging Bin Laden.



thismeintiel said:
Chris Hu said:

Actually Reagan pretty much had nothing do with the end of the Cold War the Soviet Union already was in a rapid decline by the late 70s.  Reagan military buildup in the 80s was a giant waste of money on par with the two unecessary wars started by Bush.

LMAO!! It was in such rapid decline in the late 70's, it took 15 years for it to finally end.  Funny how in the 80's is when they were building themselves up militarily, with even more warheads than the US had.  It was that uncontrolled spending that helped speed up their downfall.  But, the left can try to continue to rewrite history to give him no credit.  I guess I'll just use their logic and give Obama absolutely no credit in bagging Bin Laden.

The Soviet-Afghan war really screwed them economically, the USSR mainly collapsed from interal factors rather than external reasons.



JWeinCom said:
Nem said:

Look, i already said that in general i agree with that. I just don't have the grounds to validate or not your claims in terms of brain development, but i find it hard to believe that there aren't overdeveloped 12 year olds when that is an expectable puberty age. But fair enough, i give you the benefit of the doubt.

What i know is that there was a boy and a woman that really wanted to be and have a family together and i can not in my god nature just tell them no, its wrong, even though your bodies and minds seem clealy prepared for it. Why would it happen twice man? If it was a mistake, and she went to prison and i am pretty sure he saw the consequences right there as no doubt judges, lawyers and family no doubt explained extensively, and 2 years later they decided to have another child. I dunno. 

That is why i can't see it just as casual impulse sex as you do. To me, it's clear that there is more to this story and more than upholding some unclear line on morals, i prefer to look at the particular situation itself.

I don't think Mahr endorses pedophilia just because he can see that there is something particular about that case.

The brain develops differently from the rest of your body. The brain is more complex than any other part of our body by several orders of magnitude.  Everything else in our body is pretty much developed by the time we're like two years old, and it's just a matter of size after that.  Sexual characteristics, which are controlled mostly by hormones.  If there is a hormone imbalance, puberty can actually happen as early as 5 years old in girls.  

So, just because the body can be ready to reproduce (which has happened in five year old girls) doesn't mean the brain is developed enough.  Again, it is possible for a brain to be overdeveloped, but not to that great an extent.  If it did happen (which I don't know that it could) we'd be talking about a once in a generation genius.   And this is not even accounting social development which obviously related directly to time.

Why would it happen twice?  Don't know and it doesn't matter.  I do TONS of stupid shit in my life more than twice.  Particularly when sex is involved and hormones cloud rational thought.  People are especially likely to make stupid decisions when it comes to sexual matters.  We see girls going back to abusive boyfriends time and time again.  We see guys get taken advantage of by girls for years on end.  People do dumb shit all the time, but it really doesn't matter.  When the initial act occured, he was 12.  Anything that happens after the crime was committed is irrelevant.

I'm not sure why you keep shoving words into my mouth.  I never said it was a casual impulse sex.  And I don't care.  If someone is truly and deeply in love with a five year old and they are truly and deeply convinced the five year old loves them back and is mentally capable of a sexual relationship does not make it ok in any capacity.  Obviously a 5 and a 12 year old are mentally worlds apart, but my point is that whether it was casual sex or a long term relationship is completely irrelevant to whether or not the child was capable of consent.  Two totally different issues.  

Show me anything that Maher said that indicates he thought this was an exceptional case.  Nothing he said indicates that.  I actually like Maher, but his comments here are totally wrong, and kind of disgusting.

A five year old. Seriously? Are you trying to be dramatic or what? To me, the reason why they had a second child is extremely relevent. But no one can tell me why that would happen. You just shove it aside without questioning what it means. I am interested in the whole story. I can't judge Mahr when what he is saying makes sense, but none of you very self-righteous people can come with an answer for.



Nem said:

A five year old. Seriously? Are you trying to be dramatic or what? To me, the reason why they had a second child is extremely relevent. But no one can tell me why that would happen. You just shove it aside without questioning what it means. I am interested in the whole story. I can't judge Mahr when what he is saying makes sense, but none of you very self-righteous people can come with an answer for.

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