Nem said:
JWeinCom said:
Actually, fuck it. I had a response posted, then I decided I'm not going to waste any more time arguing that it's not ok to have sex with children.
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Dude, you are thinking in really small and in general terms.
Also, see again how you say "having sex". You are projecting your own preconceptions. Think about how this could have been a premiditated decision where they thought that it was the best time to have the children. The woman is more fertile in this age and the mother wouldn't be as old when the children grow up, while still beeing able to live elderly life together. That is the problem. Each case is it's own case. There is no just general measure. What we got atm is simply a shotgun shot spread to try and prevent it. It is in no way fair in every specific case and i'm not gonna pretend it is to look more self-righteous than thou.
I would say try to open you mind, but i think you are dead set on seeing it in just a general fashion.
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Dude... do you know what have sex means? It means have sex. How did I imply anything beyond having sex? You're the one adding stuff... and the stuff you're adding doesn't change the fact of the matter. I'm pretty confident in saying that deciding to have a child with a woman who has a husband and four children, knowing there is a pretty good chance the husband will know it isn't his, knowing that your child may look samoan which would probably raise some hard questions, and knowing that one of you is twelve and the other is commiting a felony that may put her in jail, knowing that there is a good chance that neither parent will be able to raise the child... would be a pretty bad decision. I think that's a good demonstration of a twelve year old's capacity to make good choices and think about long term consequences.
I don't need to open my mind because, unlike you, I actually have studied child psychology and development. Mind was open, and then filled with actual knowledge. I've explained the concepts to you. Synaptic pruning, myelination, these things are completed within a range of ages. Earlier for some, later for others, but 12 years old is completely out of range.
It is similar to running. Every human runs a mile at a different pace. A slow person might run it in 12 minutes. A fast person might run it in under five minutes. But no human can run a mile in two minutes. That's outside the range of possibilities. Having a fully developed prefrontal cortex that is adequetely connected to the limbic system, has completed synaptic pruning, and is fully myelinized at age 12 is the equivelant of running a 2 minute mile. I don't need to judge it on a case by case basis because I actually know something about brain development and the range of possibilities.
I'm sure (at least I hope) that you don't think it's ok to have sex with a six year old. If you agree to that, then you realize that there is a cutoff point where age alone is enough to determine whether or not its ok. You just don't know enough about brain development to know where the appropriate cutoff is. As someone who has worked with 11 and 12 year olds, I can tell you that they can often seem incredibly mature and rational... until suddenly they aren't. It's easy sometimes to forget they're just kids, but they will remind you at some point.
And of course, Bill Maher had no reason to believe this was a special case. Without any special knowledge he endorsed it. Curious how you didn't take issue with him endorsing pedophilia with limited information, yet you take issue with me condemning it.