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LivingMetal on 24 February 2017

...analyst Michael Pachter of Wedbush says otherwise.

From: Xbox Scorpio: Analyst Doubts 4K Ability & Sees Limited Launch Support

Pachter actually sees the Xbox Scorpio as something along the lines of the PlayStation 4 Pro.  In his most recent “Pachter Factor” web series, the analyst reveals a couple of his theories on the new console.  He believes that very few games will support the Xbox Scorpio at launch.  This sounds like it’ll be a similar situation to the PlayStation 4 Pro, where developers will need to actually patch in upgrades for existing titles.

“I think that Scorpio is going to have the same rules as PS4 Pro,” says Pachter.  “So every game that is made for PS4 Pro has to be backward compatible with the PS4.  Every game on Scorpio, this hasn’t been announced yet, but I believe, have to be backwards compatible on Xbox One.  What I think that means is games will have to run at, let’s just call it 1080p 60fps that can be upscaled to 4K and 240fps.  The game will have both on the disc, and the hardware will know what file to play.”

Also, he sees thinks that games may not run at true 4K on the Scorpio, instead they’ll hit a benchmark similar to the PlayStation 4 Pro, but they’ll look better on your 4K displays regardless.

“You know what, they may not run at 4K,” says Pachter.  4K is 8 million pixels… the point is they’ll look sharper on your 4K display.  The PS4 Pro isn’t a 4K box, it’s a high definition, high dynamic range.  So again, yes, games are going to be better, but they’re going to run backward compatible.  I’m sure of it.  Microsoft is not replacing the Xbox One, they’re upgrading the Xbox One.”

 



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vivster on 24 February 2017

I wouldn't call any resolution "true" until you can achieve at least 60fps with it. By this gen's standards even the Switch would be a "true" 4k console because it can run 4k at 2fps.



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CraigMack on 01 March 2017
vivster said:
I wouldn't call any resolution "true" until you can achieve at least 60fps with it. By this gen's standards even the Switch would be a "true" 4k console because it can run 4k at 2fps.

Fps has nothing to do with resolution. So what are you talking about? LOL@ "this gens standards" when the PS4 is the most advanced console ever created. Resolution and fps has nothing to do with power. Games like Uncharted and Horizon destroy anything on PC just on the standard PS4.



Zekkyou on 01 March 2017
CraigMack said:
vivster said:
I wouldn't call any resolution "true" until you can achieve at least 60fps with it. By this gen's standards even the Switch would be a "true" 4k console because it can run 4k at 2fps.

Fps has nothing to do with resolution. So what are you talking about? LOL@ "this gens standards" when the PS4 is the most advanced console ever created. Resolution and fps has nothing to do with power. Games like Uncharted and Horizon destroy anything on PC just on the standard PS4.

That is highly debatable. Horizon and Uncharted 4 and absolutely stunning games, but a lot of that comes from effective use of what they have available, 30fps, and art styles that work well to cover up the areas they're lacking in. For me personally, Uncharted 4 is maybe the prettiest game I've ever played. On a purely technical level though, there are several PC games i'd consider overall more impressive. They're certainly within "destroyed" range :p I can also play most of them at 4k/60fps, which is pretty dandy.



Faelco on 01 March 2017

The Scorpio is the Pro version of the Xbox One?

Who knew?



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Burning Typhoon on 01 March 2017
Zekkyou said:
CraigMack said:

Fps has nothing to do with resolution. So what are you talking about? LOL@ "this gens standards" when the PS4 is the most advanced console ever created. Resolution and fps has nothing to do with power. Games like Uncharted and Horizon destroy anything on PC just on the standard PS4.

That is highly debatable. Horizon and Uncharted 4 and absolutely stunning games, but a lot of that comes from effective use of what they have available, 30fps, and art styles that work well to cover up the areas they're lacking in. For me personally, Uncharted 4 is maybe the prettiest game I've ever played. On a purely technical level though, there are several PC games i'd consider overall more impressive. They're certainly within "destroyed" range :p I can also play most of them at 4k/60fps, which is pretty dandy.

I don't buy multi-plats on console anymore.  If I don't have to deal with 30FPS, I wont.  And, I can run mostly any game right now at 60FPS and 1080p with no problem, and I'm still upgrading to Ryzen 7 and GTX 1080Ti.

Coming from someone who has 11 consoles, and tomorrow, will own 2 fully fledged gaming pcs, I can say that there is a very noticable difference, or else I would not game on PC.  When the option is available, I don't even use gamepad.  Can't wait to play Tekken on a keyboard.

Although, Tekken 7, i will get on console, and PC, because, let's be honest.  Everyone's buying the PS4 version anyway.



binary solo on 01 March 2017

Pachter is wrong that Scorpio (and PS4Pro) won't do native 4k. Both consoles, I believe, are set up to be able to do native 4K, and I think some of the simpler games might output at native 4K. What we won't get is Horizon Zero Dawn in native 4K. Or Halo 7 in native 4K.

Flower or Journey re-re-released for PS4 Pro in Native 4K is possible I think.



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ModBod on 01 March 2017
binary solo said:
Pachter is wrong that Scorpio (and PS4Pro) won't do native 4k. Both consoles, I believe, are set up to be able to do native 4K, and I think some of the simpler games might output at native 4K. What we won't get is Horizon Zero Dawn in native 4K. Or Halo 7 in native 4K.

Flower or Journey re-re-released for PS4 Pro in Native 4K is possible I think.

This! anyone who thinks any console is a true 4k console, has no idea what it takes to produce a 4k gaming device.



SegataSanshiro on 01 March 2017

Even if so what is there to play on XBO? First Xbox console I am not buying as there is just nothing compelling enough to warrant a purchase for me. MS keeps going on and on about it's power but they are cancelling games and keeping quiet about other people want to know about. Spencer thinks nothing is wrong so he seems blind to fix it's issues. I don't care if it has 27 Tflops. Switch and PS4 offer more plus something different. Not trying to bash Xbox here. I am just concerned the focus seems to be more on hardware than software. The entire reasons anyone buys a console.



d21lewis on 01 March 2017
SegataSanshiro said:
Even if so what is there to play on XBO? First Xbox console I am not buying as there is just nothing compelling enough to warrant a purchase for me. MS keeps going on and on about it's power but they are cancelling games and keeping quiet about other people want to know about. Spencer thinks nothing is wrong so he seems blind to fix it's issues. I don't care if it has 27 Tflops. Switch and PS4 offer more plus something different. Not trying to bash Xbox here. I am just concerned the focus seems to be more on hardware than software. The entire reasons anyone buys a console.

I'm in the same boat as you but I'm still going to get a Scorpio. I hope E3 offers some things to get excited over.