Trans people are people, not a belief. Your lack or difference of belief fundamentally changes nothing in that aspect.

Besides, none of your freedoms are going to be eroded. (No idea what angle you were taking this in...)
Someone else going to a toilet and taking a crap has no effect on you what so ever. But you don't have the right to deny someone else the right to use a toilet.

As for whether I am a liberal or not is ultimately irrelevant, just because someone is on a certain part of the political spectrum doesn't make their opinion, views or voice somehow worth less than someone on a different part of the political spectrum.

But so you know, I believe in Science, Technology, Equality and it's eventual conclusion of Equity, I couldn't care if you are right or left wing, if you can present a proper, intellectual argument, then I am all ears.

Tell me exactly where I said trans people were not people. That's the second time you either outright say it or imply that I said something I clearly did not say.

My angle is simple, you said trans people are allowed to use the bathroom of the gender they identify in as it is their right and if I don't agree with that, then it's my problem. I'm saying it's not just my problem as their freedom to clearly choose to be whatever they want clearly clashes with my view. I don't accept this view. You don't choose or gender, race, or age. Besides I never tried to deny trans people of using a toilet. WTF? I said they should use the bathroom of the gender they were born in. I even gave you that if they go out of their way to look like the gender they clearly aren't, then they would probably be able to use the bathroom of their choice and no one would bat an eye. Where the hell did you get this "right to deny someone else the right to use a toilet" from?

All I care about is facts too, so we agree on that. And science tells me if you are born with a "y" chromosome then you are a male, if you are born with 2 X chromosomes then you are a female. That is science. Maybe you don't agree with science? 

I never stated that you said trans people were not people.

What I meant was, your beliefs about sexuality, gender aren't going to change a thing.

Correct.

And how does someone else choosing to be who they wish to be, affect you in the slightest? Untill you can provide a proper reason how this affects you in the slightest, then to me you do not have an argument, it's not like you will be forced to poop in the same toilet stall together or be denied access to use a toilet.

Irrellevant. If a Trans person walked into the same toilets you are using, you would never know they were trans, ironically, you have been sharing public bathrooms with trans people your entire life. Think about that for a moment. It's only become an issue in the last half decade.

What someone has/doesn't have dangling between their legs is frankly none of your business.

And if they did so... They would be ridiculed for it. Having someone who was born a man, transition into a female in the mens toilet wouldn't sit well with allot of men, they risk increased levels of harrasment and vitriol, ironically... Women tend to be more caring and understanding out of the two sexes.

With that, would you be comfortable sharing a toilet with someone who looks like the opposite sex? Or the same sex as you? Trans people aren't going away, they will still be around long after you drop dead of old age.

Because that is exactly what you are doing. Trans people should use the toilets with the gender they identify as. It doesn't affect you.

I have two very good friends in real life who were born female and transitioned into men, I have used the same toilets as them without a single piece of drama, the other men in the toilets didn't even realise they were trans.

The only people who are making a chicken out of feather is people like yourself.

The irony is... Men can be born with XX chromosomes. So that is a silly assertion anyway.

Yeah sure, whatever you want to say now. I don't believe that's what you meant when I said that, but even if it is, I can turn around and say the same thing to you, your beliefs aren't gonna change a damn thing and this guidelines on transgender bathrooms is, rightly so, a state issue, not a federal one, whether you like it or not.

Correct according to who? You?

It affects me  in the fact that I don't like it and don't feel comfortable with it. I don't care if that's a good reason for you or not, to be honest.

Saying I believe someone should use the bathroom of the gender they were born in = denying someone the right to use a toilet, according to your logic. Got it! I also like how you single quoted and replied meticulously to everything I said sans the thing I said that if they go out of their way to look like the gender they clearly aren't then they could use the bathroom they so desperately want to use and no one would bat an eye.

Your friends are still female to me. And a man born with XX chromosomes is actually a disorder and most likely sterile, but I'm sure you already knew that!

This little charade of ours has been entertaining, but it is not gonna go anywhere. I have even said that I vehemently disagree with your opinion, but respect it, but it seems to me that you can't and won't accept my view, which is doltish and intolerant to say the least, but I digress. Best of luck to you.

I don't need to justify anything. I don't care if you believe it or not.

Apparantly both of us.

Being uncomfortable with it isn't justification. Give a proper reason.
I don't feel comfortable with the fact people like yourself are entitled to vote and establish transphobic ideas, should you be denied the right to vote? - This is your logic that you are using.

Basically you are saying you would rather share a bathroom with someone who looks and acts female rather than male... Subjecting those people to vitriol, discrimination, hate and transphobic bigotry whilst they are at it.

They are certainly men. They are also some of the nicest people I have ever met, certainly far more tolerant, understanding and accepting than yourself.

Yeah. The same way Homosexuality is also a disorder as well, right?

Of course I won't accept your view. It's intolerant. I'm not intolerant of others because of who they simply are.

At the end of the day everyone bleeds the same colour of blood and should thus be treated with equal dignity and respect, regardless of what you  think of them. (As if it's your concern anyway.)

Amen, brother.

It's like, we were all doing fine having our own restaurants and seats in the bus and then a law forces us to sit next to them blacks. Despicable. I feel weird sitting next to them, they are a minority and the goverment is forcing me to accept something foreign to me. The nerve they have trying to instill their belief into my throat.

/s

I cri evrtim thinking of all the struggles we go through being forced to accept others. We have it so bad.

This is the problem. He is never going to change his mind on this. It will continue to be more important that the 1% is comfortable than the 99% who have to deal with it.

That is also why these arguments are a waste of time. The two sides aren't going to say something where all of a sudden everybody is like...wow, I was wrong all along.

Good. We don't care about each other's opinion. I'm just tolerant of yours while you're not tolerant of mine, suggesting that you actually do care about mine.

It is "correct" just according to your and your faulty logic, but you are used to trying to think and assume stuff for me. You are not even American anyways, so your opinion on whether or not I can vote on an American election is laughable, not even mentioning the "logic" you used to actually get there.

Btw, it is a disorder, it is called la Chapelle syndrome, but I guess you don't believe in science. And your friends are certainly female.

Regardless, I'm not continuing this conversation with you and your intolerance. Best of luck. I won't reply to you after this.

99% of people aren't uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with someone who is Trans, Don't pretend you speak for everyone.

If someone is uncomfortable because of how someone dresses, how someone acts, how someone behaves, what someone's race is, what someone's sexuality is, what someone's gender is, how they look and carry themselves, their disabilities... Then they should grow up, it's really that simple.

Sure it can. But If you had trans people being forced to use the bathrooms of the opposite sex that they identify with, even more people will get uncomfortable.
How many big burley men would tolerate someone who looks like a women in the same bathroom they are using?

I am tolerant of your opinion. I just don't think your opinion is relevent to potentially millions of people across the planet.

Nice assumption. Correct I do currently reside in Australia, but how do you know I am not American? That I don't have an American citizenship?
Is this just a tactic to try and undermine someone to try and discredit their stance? It's not going to work.

Whether it is a disorder or not is irrellevant.

Do you often deny people the ability to do something based on their disorder? Like stopping someone who is wheel-chair bound from entering a plane because they can't walk up the stairs? No you don't. You accomidate for them. That is the right and human thing to do.

I am a Carer, I work in the health industry, I look after people who have legitimate disabilities.

No. They are male. They have had surgery, they are on testosterone, they looke male, act male and identify as male. They are male.

The only thing you have proven is you are fairly transphobic, which is okay... Like all Phobia's, it is a mental illness, therapy and psychiatric treatment does exist to assist you if you seek it.

No, it really isn't that simple. I've been told my entire life that guys (people with a penis) go into the guys bathroom, and girls (people with a vagina), go in the girls bathroom.

Absolutely no part of how I was raised, taught in school, or observations made throughout my childhood made it so I can just flip a switch and magically "grow up" and be comfortable with somebody of the opposite sex in the same bathroom as me.