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VGPolyglot said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Because it would make me uncomfortable.

Why do they even want the option to go in either though? Just go in the one that aligns with their body.

They don't want the option to go in either, they want the right to go into the bathroom that they feel more comfortable in.

So what you are saying is the extreme minorities comfort is more important than everybody elses? I can almost assure you I'm not the only person who would be uncomfortable with somebody of the opposite sex in my bathroom, regardless of what they associate as.

 

I really have a hard time understanding why we need to make all of these rules for extremely small portions of the population lately, even if they may negatively impact the broad majority of people.



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Baalzamon said:
VGPolyglot said:

They don't want the option to go in either, they want the right to go into the bathroom that they feel more comfortable in.

So what you are saying is the extreme minorities comfort is more important than everybody elses? I can almost assure you I'm not the only person who would be uncomfortable with somebody of the opposite sex in my bathroom, regardless of what they associate as.

 

I really have a hard time understanding why we need to make all of these rules for extremely small portions of the population lately, even if they may negatively impact the broad majority of people.

Even ignoring the majority of peoples feelings versus teh one. Just think about the one transgenders feelings when going into a restroom.

If I walk into a restroom and see a girl standing there, I going to quick turn around, say sorry and exit. If I'm in the batroom already and a girl walks in, I will either say "wrong room", look at her strange, or something. Not cause I want to make her feel uncomfortable, but just cause I'm thinking "wtf is she doing in here. Did i go in teh wrong room. No girls don't have urinals, ect"

Then you have the people who will take pictures. Those who will go all religious on her ass. Those that will... you get the picture.

Forget my feelings of awkwardness, I imagine it woudl be way more annoying and uncomfortable for her to go into a males restroom. She shoudl jsut go into the females restroom.

Now i used he/she in my discussion. I used in the way of how teh person looks. If she looks female, whether or not she identifies as a man or not will not change how she is perceived as she enters a males restroom. The same goes teh other way. If a male walks into a females bathroom, they will get greeted by a scream and get out or some such. I can't imagine a transgender would like being greeted by this every time they go to the bathroom in public. And then having to explan they are trans. Easiest way is to just go the restroom that you look like and use the stall. If in girls bathroom, sit down.

Forget others feelings, that's what I woudl do if I were trans. Not like I'm missing out on some party, its a freaking restroom.



naruball said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Yeah I have a son and a daughter and can see where he is coming from. Andthat was the point I think that got mixed up....he never said he had a problem with transgerism. He was saying for child molesters etc this opens doors for them that could only dream about. Because it would be considered "normal" to see a grown man going into the womens restroom and no one would think twice about it. He was saying it could be exploited because of that which I can see. Not saying that transgenders are all child molesters but that child molesters could and more than likely would take advantage of the situation.

I guess that's why this is such a sticky subject because it opens up so many other doors and issues so there is a lot ot be discussed on that. Again me personally to each his/her own but I can understand and respect the issues from both sides even if I don't agree with all of them.

Do people not realize that a lot of pedophiles like young boys? How exactly is it any different?

That's the thing no one has changed their stance on that.....they are saying that this opens up new doors hence the reason it is so sensitive. Because it is WAY more than just what is on the surface. For instance like you said pedophiles like young boys as well as girls. But here is a scenario just something that could happen....a grown man who likes young boys dressed from head to toe as a woman and goes into the mens room sees one he likes and gets him out. No one would bat an eye because that would be the new "normal" I know it is an extreme but when making decisions like this these are the types of things that have to be thought about.

Personally again i do not get why it is such a big deal to choose what bathroom you want to use. Or why it is so hard for some...heck I have a lot of friends that are part of the LGBT community and they do not get what the big deal is. And just go to the restroom that fits their gender would no problems. I personally feel like this issue....is not really even an issue to begin with just going from personal expereince though. And those are just my thoughts but again to each his/her own because I know others will and do feel different.



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SpokenTruth said:
naruball said:

Do people not realize that a lot of pedophiles like young boys? How exactly is it any different?

The sooner we acknowlege that this has nothing to do with protecting children and women in bathrooms, the sooner we can get past this problem.

But the question is WHY is this a problem....what is such a big deal about the bathroom that this has become an issue? That's where I am confused and again this is coming from someone who has lots of friends that are part of the LGBT community that are just as confused.



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SpokenTruth said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

But the question is WHY is this a problem....what is such a big deal about the bathroom that this has become an issue? That's where I am confused and again this is coming from someone who has lots of friends that are part of the LGBT community that are just as confused.

Because the right uses it as a proxy for their anti-gay agenda.

 

I don't think the rights opposition to transgender bathroom issues has anything whatsoever to do with this so called anti-gay agenda. I think it almost entirely boils down to my previous point and the entire ruling appealing to an extremely small portion of the population while having an awkward impact on the remainder.

Quite frankly, it is issues exactly like this that have led the Democratic Party to be so disconnected with a large chunk of the population (I'm in no way saying the Republican party is any more connected). They take enornous amounts of their time to make small portions of the population happy.



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SpokenTruth said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

But the question is WHY is this a problem....what is such a big deal about the bathroom that this has become an issue? That's where I am confused and again this is coming from someone who has lots of friends that are part of the LGBT community that are just as confused.

Because the right uses it as a proxy for their anti-gay agenda.

 

What makes you say that? That an issue like this is used against it?



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NewGuy said:
Pemalite said:

You make it sound as if toilets are some massive crime syndicate that is full of abusers, drugs addicts and rapists... When really, everyone who goes in there just wants to take a dump.

But yes. I would be fine with it.

I make it sound like I'm uncomfortable with it, which I am. You are putting words in my mouth (typing). That's on you.

I vehemently disagree with your opinion, but respect it. To each their own.

You being unformfortable with it shouldn't be their problem, it should only be yours.

funkateer2 said:

Ok, the guy is worried, so I guess it's not completely off topic for him.

I guess my point was (and still is) that if you worry about sexual predators and child molestors, transgenders should not be the focus of that conversation; child molestors should be. Child molestors are not the same thing transgenders, so in that sense it's off-topic to me.

I have 2 daughters myself, and transgenderism doesn't worry me one bit more than 'straight' people when it comes to the restroom.


Absolutely, god damn exactly. Don't punish the innocent.

TheBlackNaruto said:

But the question is WHY is this a problem....what is such a big deal about the bathroom that this has become an issue? That's where I am confused and again this is coming from someone who has lots of friends that are part of the LGBT community that are just as confused.

I wouldn't say the LGBTQI community is confused. They have been putting up with this kind of bullshit for thousands of years.



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SpokenTruth said:
Baalzamon said:

I don't think the rights opposition to transgender bathroom issues has anything whatsoever to do with this so called anti-gay agenda. I think it almost entirely boils down to my previous point and the entire ruling appealing to an extremely small portion of the population while having an awkward impact on the remainder.

Quite frankly, it is issues exactly like this that have led the Democratic Party to be so disconnected with a large chunk of the population (I'm in no way saying the Republican party is any more connected). They take enornous amounts of their time to make small portions of the population happy.

Try going to any town hall meeting or local city council hearing on laws such as these.   You'll learn real quick exactly what they really feel.

TheBlackNaruto said:

What makes you say that? That an issue like this is used against it?

Any laws that give gays rights or equality is perceived by teh right as special treatment.  More specifically, they perceive it as a slight against themselves.  Anything negative for LGBTQ they will support.

I thought the right likes frank speach.  Telling it like it is.  But if we're going to be honest, they actually don't like telling it like it is....they just like hearing what they want to hear.  And they can't handle being called out on the truth.

I'm not a republican, so I don't really care if you are right or not, but you can't just spout something, without proof, and then claim that it is the truth. Where is the proof to your claim?



Pemalite said:
NewGuy said:

I make it sound like I'm uncomfortable with it, which I am. You are putting words in my mouth (typing). That's on you.

I vehemently disagree with your opinion, but respect it. To each their own.

You being unformfortable with it shouldn't be their problem, it should only be yours.

funkateer2 said:

Ok, the guy is worried, so I guess it's not completely off topic for him.

I guess my point was (and still is) that if you worry about sexual predators and child molestors, transgenders should not be the focus of that conversation; child molestors should be. Child molestors are not the same thing transgenders, so in that sense it's off-topic to me.

I have 2 daughters myself, and transgenderism doesn't worry me one bit more than 'straight' people when it comes to the restroom.


Absolutely, god damn exactly. Don't punish the innocent.

TheBlackNaruto said:

But the question is WHY is this a problem....what is such a big deal about the bathroom that this has become an issue? That's where I am confused and again this is coming from someone who has lots of friends that are part of the LGBT community that are just as confused.

I wouldn't say the LGBTQI community is confused. They have been putting up with this kind of bullshit for thousands of years.

Not really, one's feedom ends when mine begins. And forcing me to accept something that it's not my belief is not just my problem. It is everyone's problem when you try to instill your belief into someone else's throat. I won't be forced to accept something that is weird and foreign to me. I will also not be forced to use a pronoun that I don't want to use to describe someone who is obviously a man or a woman.

I take it you are a liberal, there are a lot of policies that are out there, are coming, or are proposed/something republicans want that I can list and dismiss your opinion by saying, "it is only your problem buddy, sorry".