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Torillian said:
NewGuy said:

What do you mean why? It's pretty self explanatory.

I honestly don't think it is.  If it's for the comfort of those going to the bathroom I don't think the trans man going into the women's bathroom or the cis women in there will be comfortable with that situation.  On the other hand, if a trans woman goes into a women's bathroom the likely won't ever know.  So is it some religious thing?  Do you think trans people are likely to cause issues, and if so what data do you have to show they cause such an issue that this should be legislated?  

I am not religious. I just don't feel comfortable with it as explained above. I take it you're for gay marriage because two consenting adults should do whatever they want. So - assuming they are all over 18 - should a brother and sister be able to get married, or a mom and son, or a father and daughter? If you say yes as well, do you at least see how that makes others umcomfortable?



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there is nothing to change. Transgender people already have the same rights as anyone else, that is why there is no comparison to things like gay marriage etc. Changing it for the sake of 0.3% of the population is not necessary.



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I think all bathroom should be unisex. We are not animals that cant be controlled.



VGPolyglot said:
Locknuts said:
For me as a father, I don't want some grown man to be following my little girls into the toilet and people thinking it's normal. It's a pedophile's wet dream

And if pedophiles really want to do that they already can. If they're that desperate, they're going to go in there and molest a girl whether it's their designated bathroom or not. They'd probably also molest little boys in the men's bathroom too, so it'd happen either way. It seems that your main goal is to associate transsexuals with pedophiles.

Lol no I think you're a little sensitive I wasn't associating transexuals with pedophiles at all. It can happen in mens bathrooms, but at least if someone saw a grown man following a little girl into a bathroom they would think it strange and maybe investigate, stopping it from happening in girls bathrooms. I don't have sons so I hadn't really considered mens bathrooms at all.



Pemalite said:
Locknuts said:
For me as a father, I don't want some grown man to be following my little girls into the toilet and people thinking it's normal. It's a pedophile's wet dream

Yeah. Nah. You are making a chicken out of a feather.

Transgender people have for centuries used the toilet they wanted... And pedophilia was never an issue.
Besides as a man I am not afraid of going into the lady's toilets if the need arises.





Right, and neither should transgender people mind going into the bathroom that matches their sex. Although if I did see you or any other man appear to follow my girls into a girls bathroom without any apparent reason, we would have words at the very least.



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Locknuts said:

Right, and neither should transgender people mind going into the bathroom that matches their sex. Although if I did see you or any other man appear to follow my girls into a girls bathroom without any apparent reason, we would have words at the very least.

And I would kindly tell you to piss off as it's none of your business.

But I have used the lady's room because the mens was full or there was no toilet paper, it was filthy or I had a friends child with me... And I have had the reverse happen where women have come into the mens room.
Being a smaller town though, you tend to get away with such things.

Transgenders should use the bathroom with the sex they identify with. How they were born is ultimately irrelevant and none of our business unless you are proposing we check what is between everyone's legs? (But then aren't we overstepping the right to freedom of privacy? ;) )



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Pemalite said:

So if you are going to take the "Natural" high-road, I hope you catch/grow your own food, build your own shelter from naturally occuring materials in the immediate vicinity of the building location... Walk/jog to work rather than use transport...

And don't get things like life-saving surgery.

And besides, you just used the key words... "They changed themselves". ergo. They should use the toilets that they identify with.

Where did I say manipulation of nature is wrong? I never did. What I said is that even WITH manipulation, it can't be achieved.

No need to put a straw man up every time I reply to you.

For the sake of the argument, I'm gonna ask you something though. How far can this "identification" thing go then? Is it only limited to gender? And if it is, why? Is it a crime when a hunter shoots someone who identifies as deer?



Ka-pi96 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

You mean bathrooms are seperated by sex. Gender is all about identity, sex is about the biology.

I grew up learning them as meaning the exact same thing and just because some peoples definitions may have changed doesn't mean mine ever will.

Good way to live your life. My racist grandpa felt the same way about blacks. Thankfully he didn't change his views because that would have been horrible.



Kaneman! said:

Where did I say manipulation of nature is wrong? I never did. What I said is that even WITH manipulation, it can't be achieved.

If that isn't how you were trying to portray yourself, then I apologise as I understood you differently.

Being Transgender isn't always easy, they are one of the most vulnerable demographics in society.

Manipulation however... If someone transitions from male to female, gets surgery to remove their breasts, takes testosterone which results in physical changes such as facial hair... Change their name, dress like a man, acts like a man, portrays themselves as a man... Then to me. They are a man. Regardless of what reproductive organs they do/do not have as that is none of my business.

Besides, Science is never going to stand still, we are have come a massively long way in hormone and genetic manipulation and that isn't going to stop any time soon... And I hope the Transgender demographics leverage that technology.

Kaneman! said:

For the sake of the argument, I'm gonna ask you something though. How far can this "identification" thing go then? Is it only limited to gender? And if it is, why? Is it a crime when a hunter shoots someone who identifies as deer?

Ever heard of the saying... "Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it probably is a duck?" That applys to Trans people. A female to male trans person who walks like a man, talks like a man, is a man.

If someone identifies as a deer, looks like a deer, acts like a deer... Then they are probably a deer. (Although that a silly comparison to make, we aren't talking life and death here, just toilets.)



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Locknuts said:
For me as a father, I don't want some grown man to be following my little girls into the toilet and people thinking it's normal. It's a pedophile's wet dream

So how would you feel if one day you have a son and he's followed into the toilet by a pedophile who's into boys?