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SpokenTruth said:
iron_megalith said:

With the way China is behaving? We're getting there soon. If trump will be involved, it's just him pulling the trigger.

Ever wonder how other countries see us behaving?

Edit: Wrong thread. Very sorry.



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iron_megalith said:
SpokenTruth said:

Ever wonder how other countries see us behaving?

And how relevant is our internal affair to them? Are you insinuating that our internal spat is even remotely enough to cause other countries to wage war on us?

Compare that to China's encroachment on multiple countries EEZ and militarization of international waters which no one should own.

Come on. Please bring a better and relevant argument next time.

The United States is involved in 7 wars right now, and has military bases in more than 70 countries around the world. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/us-military-bases-around-the-world-119321) I wouldn't call that internal spat. Unless you're referring to the Philippines.



VGPolyglot said:
iron_megalith said:

And how relevant is our internal affair to them? Are you insinuating that our internal spat is even remotely enough to cause other countries to wage war on us?

Compare that to China's encroachment on multiple countries EEZ and militarization of international waters which no one should own.

Come on. Please bring a better and relevant argument next time.

The United States is involved in 7 wars right now, and has military bases in more than 70 countries around the world. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/us-military-bases-around-the-world-119321) I wouldn't call that internal spat. Unless you're referring to the Philippines.

Yes. Wrong thread. Very sorry.

I do agree then. US as a whole is a hypocritical nation. The way UN even works around it is just disgusting.

However if you still think that list would be less reason to start a war against China, you might reconsider. I don't think US themselves will start the war. It will most likely be some poor sap beside China which will be used to instigate a war.



Kaneman! said:
Pemalite said:

You assume that science will forever remain still.

Besides, men can have female (XX rather than XY) chromosomes.

Oh, not at all. But currently it's not possible, and I doubt it will be in the near future. In any case, biotechnologists have better stuff to do than attempt to accomplish that.

The second part of your statement is not really an argument. I assume you're refering to XX male syndrome, that appears in less than 1 in 25.000 males. This genetic disorder means that even though the person has two X chromosomes, the SRY gene is still present on one X chromosome. And even DESPITE that, most such males are normal, except infertility. Ergo, the genes on the chromosome are what's important, not the chromosome itself.

Being fair, I admit that I simplified that in my first reply, but I didn't think someone would split hairs, because it was obvious what I meant. A genetic male (yes, even an XX male) is gonna stay a genetic male, no matter the number of operations. I hope this clears it up.

There are men with XX Chromosomes and do not have the SRY gene. However it is stupidly rare, albeit still possible.

And I think the point you are missing is that, regardless of what someone was born with genetically... It is ultimately irrellevent.

You don't have the right to tell someone how to live their life, it is their life to live, if they wish to transition to another gender with the assistance of modern technology and science, then they should be entitled to do so... And good on them for taking that journey.
And that also means they should also use the toilets that are associated with the gender that they are presenting to the world, once we start to question what sex someone was born with and then restricting them to specific gender roles... Then we have overstepped the line.



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VGPolyglot said:
Scisca said:

Guess what - being an alpha dog doesn't mean going to war at every single step and destroying countries, while not having a clue as to what the f**k you're actually doing. I guess it may be a shock to you, but yes, Obama's administration was considered a joke abroad. You were laughing stock with your reset with Russia and how you got bitchslapped hard in return. Especially Obama's first turn was pathetic. It felt like every single day came a new humiliation, I remember being constantly in disbelief watching Putin toy with him. You honestly think people took you seriously and are laughing now? Get real.

It's not homophobia. I've nothing against gays, but I'm totally against being f@ggoty, which absolutely doesn't require one to be gay. And your problem sure as hell isn't opposing violence, as you've noticed yourself earlier in your post. It's much, much more and runs much deeper.

I am very anti-nationalist, so I don't associate the success of the state with my individual worth. I hated Obama and his policies, but how are successes or failures in any way linked to me? I'm not a laughing stock, some guy named Igor in Russia is going to have no idea who I am. The alpha dog part is also nonsense - we're humans not dogs. Also, the alpha dog myth itself was debunked:

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2007250,00.html

And you expect me to believe that you're not homophobic? You're linking dominance and violence to masculinity, and are calling behaviour that doesn't conform to that "faggoty".

I noticed how you hate one of the most progressive political figure of our time; and what policies do you specifically hate?

To those saying that Obama was a weak leader militarily, need to brush up on current news. Here are some of the top Al-Qaeda and ISIS operatives fallen to US under Obama's directive leadership:

And Trump's first attempt at covert ops with on a grand scale resulted in death of a Navy Seal, a lot of civilian casualties and a strain of relations with one of our big allies in ME, Yemen.
That's just pathetic.



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Dude is not not even American. He has been displaying some "alt-right" views here in terms of race, sexuality and insecurity.



Goatseye said:
VGPolyglot said:

I am very anti-nationalist, so I don't associate the success of the state with my individual worth. I hated Obama and his policies, but how are successes or failures in any way linked to me? I'm not a laughing stock, some guy named Igor in Russia is going to have no idea who I am. The alpha dog part is also nonsense - we're humans not dogs. Also, the alpha dog myth itself was debunked:

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2007250,00.html

And you expect me to believe that you're not homophobic? You're linking dominance and violence to masculinity, and are calling behaviour that doesn't conform to that "faggoty".

I noticed how you hate one of the most progressive political figure of our time; and what policies do you specifically hate?

To those saying that Obama was a weak leader militarily, need to brush up on current news. Here are some of the top Al-Qaeda and ISIS operatives fallen to US under Obama's directive leadership:

And Trump's first attempt at covert ops with on a grand scale resulted in death of a Navy Seal, a lot of civilian casualties and a strain of relations with one of our big allies in ME, Yemen.
That's just pathetic.

- He was a war hawk

- He imprisoned more whistleblowers than anyone before him

- He deported more Mexicans than anyone before him

- He was soft on the banks and bailed them out while millions of people lost their homes

- Authorized drone attacks that killed thousands of innocent people

There's also the fact that he's a capitalist, and that he is there to make sure that the status quo is maintained. He obviously did not support the elimination of the capitalism and its replacement with socialism.



TheBlackNaruto said:
DamnTastic said:
Ohh too bad. I always identify as a woman when I have to go number 2. Woman bathrooms are way more cleaner.

As someone who used to work part time cleaning office buildings for extra cash I can say with 100% certainty that this is completely false....the Mens restroom are ALWAYS far cleaner than that of the women....like no contest lol.

That's 1 myth busted then. Last time I checked womens' were cleaner, but I guess it depends.



I've never understood the deal that is made about bathrooms. This is not some hangout, club place. You go in, do your business and leave. I'd be fine with unisex bathrooms for all I care.

Now onto people "feelings"

Everyone when arguing over this always seems to bring up that people don't want transgenders in their bathroom, cause it will make them feel weird, ect. But let's just look at how the transgender feels..

Let's say this is not a school or your work "where everybody knows your name", thus are not accustomed to you entering said bathroom. This is a random public restroom. Somewhere were you are a stranger. "You" in this scenerio are a transgender person. You are a transgender person that looks opposite what you feel.

Okay, so your now walking into a restroom and what happens. The people in their get shocked, surpriksed, gawk, ect. Some will quickly yell in surprise, 'wrong bathroom' (not cause their genderphobic, just cause they thought a male walked into a female or vise versa) Some will look at you weird as a curiosity. Some may be assholes (there are those in the world) Some will want to talk to you cause of curiosity. Some will sneak pics on their camera. Some mom/dad seeing you enter while their kid is in there may freak out. Say your already in there adn someone walks in. They see you and go "whoops, sorry wrong bathroom" They leave, re-look at the sign and come back in. Ect.
Say what you want about all those people, but the point is legality aside, this does not sound like a fun experience for the transgender going to the bathroom. I would think it would be more enjoyable just going into the restroom that you "look like", you know so you just get ignored.
Ignore the non transgenders peopels feelings, I wouldn't be surprised if I never experience this situation in my life. But just think about the transgenders feelings. I feel like they would feel singled out less if they just went into what they looked like versus felt like.

Now in my scenerio, I used a transgender that doesn't look how they feel. If they look how they feel, I can't imagine they have any troubles. Again they would just fit in, in that place of "business"



It's just a restroom ffs. Do your number ones and twos behind the door that you think is most appropriate and forget about it.
If you can't deal with the possibility of seeing a transgender doing the exact same thing, then learn to deal with it.