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Turkish said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Welp, he did it once and now hes back to do it again. He congratulated Sony on Bloodborne, he congratulated Sony on Uncharted 4 and now on Horizon. This completes the hat trick of congratulations. Such a great guy, but for some reason it almost feels forced since Microsoft threw shade at Sony's efforts with the PS4 pro with the Xbox S responses to Sonys lack of true 4k. Despite his efforts to say there is no console war, Microsoft sure has a weird and passive aggressive way of selling their product in response to Sony. Proof that there will always be a console war. Anyway, Hopefully he inspires his division to make better exclusives so Sony can congratulate him more. I have a feeling that Phil is going to congratulate Sony once again once God of War drops. LOL

 

Weird he didn't congratulate them on Gravity Rush 2 or Last Guardian.

Proof Phil doesn't care about anything that's original and which doesn't have guns and swords? Pretty telling if u ask me.

Phil is a gamer. I think he genuinely apprecriates creativity, but I believe his issue is getting Microsoft to produce creative new IP.  Sure, they can buy it, but to actually internally development something new would be a huge thing for Microsoft. This has never been their strength.



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fauzman said:
To be honest I think Sony have done the same. One cant help but remember the emphasis on being able to lend games that Sony emphasised once the Xone was revealed. Nor the teasing ad with Shu. Congratulating the opposition is a lot better than the arrogance shown by all parties in the prev gens.

Well, when there's a funny way of saying "boy, you done fucked up!" then I think it is fair game. But when you crap on a product that is good and is delivering good experiences for its consumers in order to pump up your own product, then that's just petty and meanspirited.

I don't imagine that anyone's hands are clean. But some things are less defensible than other things.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

S.T.A.G.E. said:

Welp, he did it once and now hes back to do it again. He congratulated Sony on Bloodborne, he congratulated Sony on Uncharted 4 and now on Horizon. This completes the hat trick of congratulations. Such a great guy, but for some reason it almost feels forced since Microsoft threw shade at Sony's efforts with the PS4 pro with the Xbox S responses to Sonys lack of true 4k. Despite his efforts to say there is no console war, Microsoft sure has a weird and passive aggressive way of selling their product in response to Sony.

^ yep.

Mixed messagein, something MS has had alot of lately.

It also means those compliments dont appear honest.



KingofTrolls said:
Can anyone explain to me wtf " passive aggresivnes " is ?
No PdH here, but if u are an agrresor, dont u kinda push forward, etc ?

Its about tone.

like you can say "well done" but with a tone that implies you dont think so, followed by a sneer at a person.

Then the meaning of the thing changes, even if the words stay the same.



Phil should just stop congratulating Sony games, fans take it as an insult anyway!

- Great hair! ;)
- What?!? You don't congratulate me on my weight? You think I'm fat! (runs and cries)

SMH



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Dravenet7 said:

Yeah I'm gonna stop you right there at the bolded...

"I dunno how to weigh the pros and cons of this argument" <- You being confused with an argument.

"They have enough free reign to create a upgraded Xbox that is not needed but cannot make better exclusives." <- The argument you are confused by. Conviently the argument I never made, but you replaced it with your own.

So we can confirm, through your words and arguments alone, you confused yourself. Based on that, it is not me, who read to deeply, but you not reading at all.

As for most of what you said after, I don't have to respond to that... because I already did. You simply chose to change it for your argument. Which, again by your own words, you don't know how to weigh.

As for the Sony thing, no they are not confused. They knew exactly what they were doing. Only you are confused and that is by your own admittance. 

[I think it is you who is twisting my words]. When I said I dont know how to weigh the pros and cons of the argument I was referring to, it was in context to the sentence which came before that, which was clearly about their priorities with a second console (Since there is no need for one) vs exclusives. I was admitting that I cannot ultimatley get into Microsoft head to understand their logic when they are supposedly trying to prop up their PC market. It just makes no sense at all.

I said, if Microsoft can develop a second console...it is telling about how much free reign they have within the division. Microsoft is fighting a petty battle over graphics, to distract from their glaring issues, which are exclusives. But again...the only thing I admitted I was confused about was their priorities.

... Are you even reading at this point? Twisting what words? You mean the full sentences I am taking directly from what you said, word for word, and highlighting? Something is literally not twisted, if it is taken word for word.

To highlight this let's look at what I underlined. This is the line that literally came before your struggle (confusion) to weigh the pros and cons of the argument:

"They have enough free reign to create a upgraded Xbox that is not needed but cannot make better exclusives."

^^^^^^^^^^ That line. The line which you bolded from my last post. The line which I fully explain, if you look literally after the quote where the "<-" is, that this is what you are confused by...

There is no way you read I posted. No way. Because if you did, I wouldn't be reading what you just posted. You essentially restated that you were confused by your own argument.

- It's like you bit a green apple, then a red one, I say that you bit the red one after the green one, and then you claim I changed the story attempt to correct me by saying you ate the green apple before the red one...

...

Now aside from that. Everything bolded and italicized... This is the very first time PC was specifically mentioned. At all. Not even between just our posts, in the thread entirely. You are making this up as you go. "It just makes no sense at all"... (That quote is you highlighting your confusion of your own words. Again. Specifically through the words in italicized.)

The best part of this all is that you just verified that instead of actually dealing with my argument, you replaced it with your own, and then proceeded to get confused by it.



JRPGfan said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Welp, he did it once and now hes back to do it again. He congratulated Sony on Bloodborne, he congratulated Sony on Uncharted 4 and now on Horizon. This completes the hat trick of congratulations. Such a great guy, but for some reason it almost feels forced since Microsoft threw shade at Sony's efforts with the PS4 pro with the Xbox S responses to Sonys lack of true 4k. Despite his efforts to say there is no console war, Microsoft sure has a weird and passive aggressive way of selling their product in response to Sony.

^ yep.

Mixed messagein, something MS has had alot of lately.

It also means those compliments dont appear honest.

Exactly my point, despite Microsofts words, they always follow up with an untrustworhy action. All businesses have untrustworthy moments, but MS is the most shady of them all. 



Dravenet7 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

[I think it is you who is twisting my words]. When I said I dont know how to weigh the pros and cons of the argument I was referring to, it was in context to the sentence which came before that, which was clearly about their priorities with a second console (Since there is no need for one) vs exclusives. I was admitting that I cannot ultimatley get into Microsoft head to understand their logic when they are supposedly trying to prop up their PC market. It just makes no sense at all.

I said, if Microsoft can develop a second console...it is telling about how much free reign they have within the division. Microsoft is fighting a petty battle over graphics, to distract from their glaring issues, which are exclusives. But again...the only thing I admitted I was confused about was their priorities.

... Are you even reading at this point? Twisting what words? You mean the full sentences I am taking directly from what you said, word for word, and highlighting? Something is literally not twisted, if it is taken word for word.

To highlight this let's look at what I underlined. This is the line that literally came before your struggle (confusion) to weigh the pros and cons of the argument:

"They have enough free reign to create a upgraded Xbox that is not needed but cannot make better exclusives."

^^^^^^^^^^ That line. The line which you bolded from my last post. The line which I fully explain, if you look literally after the quote where the "<-" is, that this is what you are confused by...

There is no way you read I posted. No way. Because if you did, I wouldn't be reading what you just posted. You essentially restated that you were confused by your own argument.

- It's like you bit a green apple, then a red one, I say that you bit the red one after the green one, and then you claim I changed the story attempt to correct me by saying you ate the green apple before the red one...

...

Now aside from that. Everything bolded and italicized... This is the very first time PC was specifically mentioned. At all. Not even between just our posts, in the thread entirely. You are making this up as you go. "It just makes no sense at all"... (That quote is you highlighting your confusion of your own words. Again. Specifically through the words in italicized.)

The best part of this all is that you just verified that instead of actually dealing with my argument, you replaced it with your own, and then proceeded to get confused by it.

I read what you wrote, but I am clearing my statement as you misconstrued my confusion and where it came from. You're taking apart my statements and not applying context nor meaning to it properly. If this is how you're going to approach speaking, its not going to get very far.  Sorry, but I work too many hours to come back to VGChartz and go through this. Others seemed to get my statement just fine. You're the only one dragging it out this far.

No ones confused by what you're saying. You're picking things apart, claiming someones lost and then running yourself in circles. Im not going down that path. I know exactly what I said and what you said, but theres only so much time in the day for this.



Jazz2K said:
Phil should just stop congratulating Sony games, fans take it as an insult anyway!

- Great hair! ;)
- What?!? You don't congratulate me on my weight? You think I'm fat! (runs and cries)

SMH

Actually, in the beginning I thought it was refeshing, until Microsoft followed up their "good will" with a shady twitter response to Sony's PS4 Pro launch in an attempt to devalue the pro. As someone else said, mixed messages, which sours any congratulation that Phil would later give. Once again, Its good that its happening, but after that its reasonable to question the value at this point. 



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Dravenet7 said:

... Are you even reading at this point? Twisting what words? You mean the full sentences I am taking directly from what you said, word for word, and highlighting? Something is literally not twisted, if it is taken word for word.

To highlight this let's look at what I underlined. This is the line that literally came before your struggle (confusion) to weigh the pros and cons of the argument:

"They have enough free reign to create a upgraded Xbox that is not needed but cannot make better exclusives."

^^^^^^^^^^ That line. The line which you bolded from my last post. The line which I fully explain, if you look literally after the quote where the "<-" is, that this is what you are confused by...

There is no way you read I posted. No way. Because if you did, I wouldn't be reading what you just posted. You essentially restated that you were confused by your own argument.

- It's like you bit a green apple, then a red one, I say that you bit the red one after the green one, and then you claim I changed the story attempt to correct me by saying you ate the green apple before the red one...

...

Now aside from that. Everything bolded and italicized... This is the very first time PC was specifically mentioned. At all. Not even between just our posts, in the thread entirely. You are making this up as you go. "It just makes no sense at all"... (That quote is you highlighting your confusion of your own words. Again. Specifically through the words in italicized.)

The best part of this all is that you just verified that instead of actually dealing with my argument, you replaced it with your own, and then proceeded to get confused by it.

I read what you wrote, but I am clearing my statement as you misconstrued by confusion and where it came from. You're taking apart my statements and not applying context nor meaning to it properly. If this is how you're going to approach speaking, its not going to get very far.  Sorry, but I work too many hours to come back to VGChartz and go through this. Others seemed to get my statement just fine. You're the only one dragging it out this far.

No ones confused by what you're saying. You're picking things apart, claiming someones lost and then running yourself in circles. Im not going down that path. I know exactly what I said and what you said, but theres only so much time in the day for this.

I minscontrued nothing. I was confused by nothing that you said. I knew exactly where each of your lines came from and you are lying through your teeth if you state that I am not applying context as that has all I have been doing since beyond my first post. And speaking of my first post you never once addressed anything I said aside from failing to defend you confusion. Instead of actually responding to my post you replaced it with your own argument. Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong about that. It is laughable you think that you can even begin to criticize how I approach speaking when you actively avoid an argument by replacing with your own. You need to follow your own advice.

So go ahead and clear whatever it is you want to clear. Your posts are already in my responses, and it would be very clear to anyone through reading them, I have properly broken down what you said. You can go "Bu-buh you are misconstruning my words!" as much as you want. The difference is that I actually contiuously proved and backed up what I stated, and you kept adding nonsensical stuff as you went along. 

EDIT: in regards to the part you added later...

No one should be confused by what I was saying. That is precisely why I went into the depth I previously did. Oh and please qoute where I claimed anything along the lines of someone has lost. You can't because tou made that up. That is your fundamental problem. You are not addressing what I actually have said, and replacing it with what you want to be said. If you knew what I said and realize the value of time, then perhaps next actually address what someone else has said instead replacing it with your own arguments that you have confused yourself with.