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Can anyone explain to me wtf " passive aggresivnes " is ?
No PdH here, but if u are an agrresor, dont u kinda push forward, etc ?



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KingofTrolls said:
Can anyone explain to me wtf " passive aggresivnes " is ?
No PdH here, but if u are an agrresor, dont u kinda push forward, etc ?

Passive aggressiveness is indirect aggressiveness or provocation. Its not done outwardly. Microsoft did this towards sony immediately after Spencer congratulated them (the second time) and then saying the new Xbox has a new way of competing without getting involved in a console war.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Dravenet7 said:
He congratulates Sony on a really good console exclusive. Ok? All of those games you mentioned are extremely good by most gamers standards. People are cheerleading for the company, Some are figuratively worshipping them with the upmost sincerity. But its problematic when Phil gives Sony a pat on the back?
What makes this sad for the most part isn't that the gaming media frequently post every tweet about him sneezing. The fact that so many people make it newsworthy themselves is, quite genuinely, sad.

Yes it makes perfect sense for Spencer to say there is no console war whilst Microsoft attacks in every opportunity possible. Spencer controls a mere division of Microsoft. Microsoft in general still does whatever it feels like and still has their hands in Xbox. Not saying Phil is a puppet, but he doesn't have as much free reign or control as you make it seem.

[They have enough free reign to create a upgraded Xbox that is not needed but cannot make better exclusives? I dunno how to weigh the pros and cons of this argument.] Microsoft is going for the petty battle and thats when they will boast just like they did the Xbox S.

Sony's response to Microsofts passive aggressive behavior.

"While others have shifted their message and changed their story, we were consistent in maintaining a message that is fair and in tune with consumer desires,"

Well I mean yeah when you not only twist words but ommit the actual argument as well, that tends to happen... But don't worry I will give you the step by step as to what just happended:

- You were talking about passive aggresive attacks by Microsoft despite what Phil says. I responded directly to and contested that.  

- Instead of responding to that, you proceed to ask a question about hardware and exclusives of Xbox and what they are free to do. As if I said mentioned anything about freedom regarding hardware when I was very clearly talking about Phil's communication in comparison to Microsoft's.

- You proceed to somehow confuse yourself.

- Then you recommit to your original argument as if it was never contested and quote Sony as if it were evidence of something?

The general gist of your confusion is willfull ignorance. As in you willfully removed both the key information and most of the argument, and were confused by the argument you yourself replaced it with. Now if you actually go back and not do that, maybe your confusion will fade.



Dravenet7 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

[They have enough free reign to create a upgraded Xbox that is not needed but cannot make better exclusives? I dunno how to weigh the pros and cons of this argument.] Microsoft is going for the petty battle and thats when they will boast just like they did the Xbox S.

Sony's response to Microsofts passive aggressive behavior.

"While others have shifted their message and changed their story, we were consistent in maintaining a message that is fair and in tune with consumer desires,"

Well I mean yeah when you not only twist words but ommit the actual argument as well, that tends to happen... But don't worry I will give you the step by step as to what just happended:

- You were talking about passive aggresive attacks by Microsoft despite what Phil says. I responded directly to and contested that.  

- Instead of responding to that, you proceed to ask a question about hardware and exclusives of Xbox and what they are free to do. As if I said mentioned anything about freedom regarding hardware when I was very clearly talking about Phil's communication in comparison to Microsoft's.

- You proceed to somehow confuse yourself.

- Then you recommit to your original argument as if it was never contested and quote Sony as if it were evidence of something?

The general gist of your confusion is willfull ignorance. As in you willfully removed both the key information and most of the argument, and were confused by the argument you yourself replaced it with. Now if you actually go back and not do that, maybe your confusion will fade.

Im not confused at all. I think you're reading into what I am saying further than you should. I considered it a passive aggressive attack as a whole, since it actions by the company represent the company. One person says one thing and another person says another. At the end of the day Sony was right to call them out on their passive aggressive behavior when they were trying to bring about good faith in the spirit of competition. Despite that though, I still think Phil will continue to congratulate Sony and the only exclusive Microsoft has that could possibly wow if done right (for now) is Crackdown. Lets hope they dont moneyhat another third party game, because like the 360 gen eventually they will run out of luck and have no one to give them high profile titles in the latter years. Last gen they were winning as well and still managed to have a slight drought in the last two years.

If im confused, so is Sony. They respond to PR as is.



S.T.A.G.E. said:

Passive aggressiveness is indirect aggressiveness or provocation. Its not done outwardly. Microsoft did this towards sony immediately after Spencer congratulated them (the second time) and then saying the new Xbox has a new way of competing without getting involved in a console war.



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Ka-pi96 said:
mjk45 said:

I still chuckle when I think about Crash using a megaphone to heckle Xbox  right outside Ms's Redmond site.

You sure that wasn't Nintendo? Wouldn't really make sense for Crash to heckle Xbox when Xbox received its first Crash game about 5 months after it released.

Yeah Nintendo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLlCRE9kDVg


Were crazy many ads back then even offered crash a job at pizza hut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLdQczq3NMM






S.T.A.G.E. said:
Dravenet7 said:

Well I mean yeah when you not only twist words but ommit the actual argument as well, that tends to happen... But don't worry I will give you the step by step as to what just happended:

- You were talking about passive aggresive attacks by Microsoft despite what Phil says. I responded directly to and contested that.  

- Instead of responding to that, you proceed to ask a question about hardware and exclusives of Xbox and what they are free to do. As if I said mentioned anything about freedom regarding hardware when I was very clearly talking about Phil's communication in comparison to Microsoft's.

- You proceed to somehow confuse yourself.

- Then you recommit to your original argument as if it was never contested and quote Sony as if it were evidence of something?

The general gist of your confusion is willfull ignorance. As in you willfully removed both the key information and most of the argument, and were confused by the argument you yourself replaced it with. Now if you actually go back and not do that, maybe your confusion will fade.

Im not confused at all. I think you're reading into what I am saying further than you should. I considered it a passive aggressive attack as a whole, since it actions by the company represent the company. One person says one thing and another person says another. At the end of the day Sony was right to call them out on their passive aggressive behavior when they were trying to bring about good faith in the spirit of competition. Despite that though, I still think Phil will continue to congratulate Sony and the only exclusive Microsoft has that could possibly wow if done right (for now) is Crackdown. Lets hope they dont moneyhat another third party game, because like the 360 gen eventually they will run out of luck and have no one to give them high profile titles in the latter years. Last gen they were winning as well and still managed to have a slight drought in the last two years.

If im confused, so is Sony. They respond to PR as is.

Yeah I'm gonna stop you right there at the bolded...

"I dunno how to weigh the pros and cons of this argument" <- You being confused with an argument.

"They have enough free reign to create a upgraded Xbox that is not needed but cannot make better exclusives." <- The argument you are confused by. Conviently the argument I never made, but you replaced it with your own.

So we can confirm, through your words and arguments alone, you confused yourself. Based on that, it is not me, who read to deeply, but you not reading at all.

As for most of what you said after, I don't have to respond to that... because I already did. You simply chose to change it for your argument. Which, again by your own words, you don't know how to weigh.

As for the Sony thing, no they are not confused. They knew exactly what they were doing. Only you are confused and that is by your own admittance. 



malistix1985 said:
Its what you get with some gamers in charge, theres plenty of people in the main Xbox team, mike Ybarra was also playing horizon, loving it.

Sure they fling poo at sony sometimes with an add or a comment but in generall this generation has been quite nice on both sides and Microsoft is and will be much more active on social media in general so there is going to be more positive- and negative things to say about that.

Overall I think they know they are behind and making the best of a bad situation, which is good because we all love competition its good for games, sales and innovation because look at what happened with intel in the cpu department, releasing the same cpu with 5% performance gains and rediculous prices is really bad.

Ryzen comes and intel is starting to actually do things again, its all about competition and altough I don't own an Xbox yet I plan to support the scorpio too and it would never have happened if they didn't change direction after 2013

That's not necessarily true, in some cases competition brings inovation down to the lowest common denominator. As an example, pretty much when Sony had playstation as the undisputed top dog they did try and push the envelope with a $600 console, introducing new tech like bluray, internal hard drive by default, wifi, sd card reader, cell architecture, etc...

They had their teeth kicked in by MS who undercut them from the beggining with a ton of missing features (no bluray drive, no wifi, etc) and a lower price point.

Also having paid online was something that probably would not exist if it wasn't for that "competition".

The fact that no one dares push the envelope on pricepoint on the console space also means we'll time and time again be gaming on underpowered machines for years.

 

so yeah... competition is not always that good



Dravenet7 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Im not confused at all. I think you're reading into what I am saying further than you should. I considered it a passive aggressive attack as a whole, since it actions by the company represent the company. One person says one thing and another person says another. At the end of the day Sony was right to call them out on their passive aggressive behavior when they were trying to bring about good faith in the spirit of competition. Despite that though, I still think Phil will continue to congratulate Sony and the only exclusive Microsoft has that could possibly wow if done right (for now) is Crackdown. Lets hope they dont moneyhat another third party game, because like the 360 gen eventually they will run out of luck and have no one to give them high profile titles in the latter years. Last gen they were winning as well and still managed to have a slight drought in the last two years.

If im confused, so is Sony. They respond to PR as is.

Yeah I'm gonna stop you right there at the bolded...

"I dunno how to weigh the pros and cons of this argument" <- You being confused with an argument.

"They have enough free reign to create a upgraded Xbox that is not needed but cannot make better exclusives." <- The argument you are confused by. Conviently the argument I never made, but you replaced it with your own.

So we can confirm, through your words and arguments alone, you confused yourself. Based on that, it is not me, who read to deeply, but you not reading at all.

As for most of what you said after, I don't have to respond to that... because I already did. You simply chose to change it for your argument. Which, again by your own words, you don't know how to weigh.

As for the Sony thing, no they are not confused. They knew exactly what they were doing. Only you are confused and that is by your own admittance. 

I think it is you who is twisting my words. When I said I dont know how to weigh the pros and cons of the argument I was referring to, it was in context to the sentence which came before that, which was clearly about their priorities with a second console (Since there is no need for one) vs exclusives. I was admitting that I cannot ultimatley get into Microsoft head to understand their logic when they are supposedly trying to prop up their PC market. It just makes no sense at all.

I said, if Microsoft can develop a second console...it is telling about how much free reign they have within the division. Microsoft is fighting a petty battle over graphics, to distract from their glaring issues, which are exclusives. But again...the only thing I admitted I was confused about was their priorities.



S.T.A.G.E. said:

Welp, he did it once and now hes back to do it again. He congratulated Sony on Bloodborne, he congratulated Sony on Uncharted 4 and now on Horizon. This completes the hat trick of congratulations. Such a great guy, but for some reason it almost feels forced since Microsoft threw shade at Sony's efforts with the PS4 pro with the Xbox S responses to Sonys lack of true 4k. Despite his efforts to say there is no console war, Microsoft sure has a weird and passive aggressive way of selling their product in response to Sony. Proof that there will always be a console war. Anyway, Hopefully he inspires his division to make better exclusives so Sony can congratulate him more. I have a feeling that Phil is going to congratulate Sony once again once God of War drops. LOL

 

Weird he didn't congratulate them on Gravity Rush 2 or Last Guardian.

Proof Phil doesn't care about anything that's original and which doesn't have guns and swords? Pretty telling if u ask me.