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LurkerJ said:
Lawlight said:
Overreaction by the MSM and the left. They weren't this outraged over the many cases of female teachers sleeping with their students.

You do know that the religious republicans are triggered for real by MILO's comments and they're the ones who are going after him, right? At least the left is doing their usaual fake outrage, and that never dictated how websites like breitbart ran their businesses. In fact, the fake outrage technique hasn't been working out for the left's favor, just like it didn't in this particular case. So need to shift the blame, your party sucks as well

I'm a bit confused at the moment. Who really co-ordinated this witch hunt attack (by bringing up one year old videos on a wide scale in media at this specific moment)?

Do you know for certain that it was other conservatives (cucks) that stabbed Milo in the back?

That's just so sad if true. Just shows how important Milo, Trump and the "alt-light" movement are.



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Slimebeast said:
Final-Fan said:

Are you philosophically opposed to the idea of boycotts?  What happened with his book deal is people registering their displeasure with the publisher, the publisher deciding they would rather go along with public opinion, and canceling the book deal.  His book isn't being censored.  Even if he can't get another publisher and sell the book (which he likely will), he could still put it up on the Internet and get his message out.  His free speech is not being infringed on.  I would agree with you if he was blocked from hosting his own website and getting his message out that way.  But I don't have a problem with things like the Twitter ban and the publisher backing out of a book deal when he explicitly makes it a life goal to be an outrageous provocateur.  He WANTS reactions and nobody should be surprised or whine when he GETS reactions.  Sometimes they aren't going to be reactions he particularly enjoys, but he of all people ought to appreciate the irony of that. 

I've watched the video.  He is very clear about his opposition to pedophilia as defined as sexual attraction and predation on pre-pubescent children.  But as soon as you hit puberty all bets are off.  I think most of society would not be okay with 30 year olds going after boys as soon as they hit puberty.  I was inclined to believe what he said in the video about his defense of a relationship between a 28 year old and a 13-14 year old (himself) being a symptom of denial due to past abuse (by them, of him, in those relationships).  However, he then goes on in his "apology" to say that he was not serious and downplay how inappropriate such age discrepancies are.  He can't have it both ways.  That's my problem with this guy in general:  he says crazy stuff and any time someone calls him on something he blows it off as just hyperbole or just a joke, but then he still expects to be taken seriously.  He can't have it both ways, at least not from me. 

He was very clearly against pedophilia, you admit it with your own words.

And in Germany the age of consent is 14. EOD.

There are very strict rules. Saying that the age of consent is 14 doesn't mean that every adult can jump on someone who is just 14 years old.

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The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense by itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 16, although provisions protecting minors against abuse apply until the age of 18 (under Section 182(1), it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person under 18 "by taking advantage of an exploitative situation"[36]).

As specified by Sections 176 (Sexual abuse of children) and 182 (Sexual abuse of youths) of the Penal Code, which read:

§ 176: "(1) Whoever commits sexual acts on a person under fourteen (14) years of age (a child) or allows them to be committed on themself by the child, shall be punished by imprisonment from six months to ten years [...]"

§ 180: "(1) Whoever abets the commission of sexual acts of a person under sixteen years of age on or in front of a third person or sexual acts of a third person on a person under sixteen years of age:

  1. by acting as an intermediary; or
  2. by furnishing or creating an opportunity,

shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine. [...]"

§ 182: "(2) A person over twenty-one years of age who abuses a person under sixteen years of age, in that he: 1. commits sexual acts on the person or allows them to be committed on himself by the person; or 2. induces the person to commit sexual acts on a third person or to allow them to be committed on the person by a third person, and thereby exploits the victim's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine. [...] The act shall only be prosecuted upon complaint, unless the prosecuting authority considers ex officio that it is required to enter the case because of the special public interest therein. [...] The court may dispense with punishment pursuant to these provisions if, in consideration of the conduct of the person against whom the act was directed, the wrongfulness of the act is slight."[37]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Germany



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Peh said:
Slimebeast said:

He was very clearly against pedophilia, you admit it with your own words.

And in Germany the age of consent is 14. EOD.

There are very strict rules. Saying that the age of consent is 14 doesn't mean that every adult can jump on someone who is just 14 years old.

"

The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense by itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 16, although provisions protecting minors against abuse apply until the age of 18 (under Section 182(1), it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person under 18 "by taking advantage of an exploitative situation"[36]).

As specified by Sections 176 (Sexual abuse of children) and 182 (Sexual abuse of youths) of the Penal Code, which read:

§ 176: "(1) Whoever commits sexual acts on a person under fourteen (14) years of age (a child) or allows them to be committed on themself by the child, shall be punished by imprisonment from six months to ten years [...]"

§ 180: "(1) Whoever abets the commission of sexual acts of a person under sixteen years of age on or in front of a third person or sexual acts of a third person on a person under sixteen years of age:

  1. by acting as an intermediary; or
  2. by furnishing or creating an opportunity,

shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine. [...]"

§ 182: "(2) A person over twenty-one years of age who abuses a person under sixteen years of age, in that he: 1. commits sexual acts on the person or allows them to be committed on himself by the person; or 2. induces the person to commit sexual acts on a third person or to allow them to be committed on the person by a third person, and thereby exploits the victim's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine. [...] The act shall only be prosecuted upon complaint, unless the prosecuting authority considers ex officio that it is required to enter the case because of the special public interest therein. [...] The court may dispense with punishment pursuant to these provisions if, in consideration of the conduct of the person against whom the act was directed, the wrongfulness of the act is slight."[37]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Germany

Of course.

But did Milo encourage persons over the age of 21 to "exploit a 14- to 15-year old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination"?



Slimebeast said:
Peh said:

There are very strict rules. Saying that the age of consent is 14 doesn't mean that every adult can jump on someone who is just 14 years old.

"

The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense by itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 16, although provisions protecting minors against abuse apply until the age of 18 (under Section 182(1), it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person under 18 "by taking advantage of an exploitative situation"[36]).

As specified by Sections 176 (Sexual abuse of children) and 182 (Sexual abuse of youths) of the Penal Code, which read:

§ 176: "(1) Whoever commits sexual acts on a person under fourteen (14) years of age (a child) or allows them to be committed on themself by the child, shall be punished by imprisonment from six months to ten years [...]"

§ 180: "(1) Whoever abets the commission of sexual acts of a person under sixteen years of age on or in front of a third person or sexual acts of a third person on a person under sixteen years of age:

  1. by acting as an intermediary; or
  2. by furnishing or creating an opportunity,

shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine. [...]"

§ 182: "(2) A person over twenty-one years of age who abuses a person under sixteen years of age, in that he: 1. commits sexual acts on the person or allows them to be committed on himself by the person; or 2. induces the person to commit sexual acts on a third person or to allow them to be committed on the person by a third person, and thereby exploits the victim's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine. [...] The act shall only be prosecuted upon complaint, unless the prosecuting authority considers ex officio that it is required to enter the case because of the special public interest therein. [...] The court may dispense with punishment pursuant to these provisions if, in consideration of the conduct of the person against whom the act was directed, the wrongfulness of the act is slight."[37]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Germany

Of course.

But did Milo encourage persons over the age of 21 to "exploit a 14- to 15-year old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination"?

He said he lost his virginity (at 13 I thought he said, but I could be misremembering) in a five-way homosexual encounter, and spoke of it in positive terms.  That certainly violates the "third party" angle of the German sex law, leaving aside the fact that it took place AFAIK in Britain where the age of consent is higher. 

Another thing that happened to Milo that he spoke of as a good thing to happen to other people is giving blowjobs to his priest (he was 14 and the priest was 28).  This is certainly a situation with an extremely strong likelihood of exploitation based on the social power a priest has over a boy (in addition to the physical power the average adult has over the average 14 year old, and Milo doesn't look like he was an incredibly large and strong 14 year old). 

(Side note:  I don't know how it is in Europe, but we've had a significant and long-term scandal here in the USA about priests sexually abusing boys, so this in particular may have hit a nerve in terms of public reaction even beyond the rest of it.) 

Yes, he did speak of relationships at these ages in the context of the younger person being "sexually mature", but on the other hand he spoke of kids that age "taking advantage" of teachers twice their age.  I don't think it's reasonable to assert that the child has the advantage in such a relationship and I think his caveats are generally suspect. 



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ClassicGamingWizzz said:

Still remember the same crowd that follows milo, the same online warriors, that kind of people, fucking attacked and wanted to destroy  a transgender for almost the same exact thing milo talked. Now they defend him, its funny to see lol

He is tasting now what he did to others and its hilarious to watch.

Grab popcorn everyone

 

Just read one article about the crew that goes around with Milo https://psmag.com/on-the-milo-bus-with-the-lost-boys-of-americas-new-right-629a77e87986#.41c8kp8uf funny stuff, marvelous, its fantastic xD

I think it's hilarious that no one has even attempted to find out who the priest was that is banging kids. Some guy just admitted to having sex with a priest and no one is like "uuhh maybe we should find out who that is and put a top to it". Nope lets sit around and attack a Milo. Man as a society are priorities are getting really screwed up.

Never thought I'd say the day where people are so entertrained by someones life being destroyed that they don't even care about the person who is sexually abusing children. It's like an episode of the twilight zone or some shit like that.



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Final-Fan said:
Slimebeast said:

Of course.

But did Milo encourage persons over the age of 21 to "exploit a 14- to 15-year old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination"?

He said he lost his virginity (at 13 I thought he said, but I could be misremembering) in a five-way homosexual encounter, and spoke of it in positive terms.  That certainly violates the "third party" angle of the German sex law, leaving aside the fact that it took place AFAIK in Britain where the age of consent is higher. 

Another thing that happened to Milo that he spoke of as a good thing to happen to other people is giving blowjobs to his priest (he was 14 and the priest was 28).  This is certainly a situation with an extremely strong likelihood of exploitation based on the social power a priest has over a boy (in addition to the physical power the average adult has over the average 14 year old, and Milo doesn't look like he was an incredibly large and strong 14 year old). 

(Side note:  I don't know how it is in Europe, but we've had a significant and long-term scandal here in the USA about priests sexually abusing boys, so this in particular may have hit a nerve in terms of public reaction even beyond the rest of it.) 

Yes, he did speak of relationships at these ages in the context of the younger person being "sexually mature", but on the other hand he spoke of kids that age "taking advantage" of teachers twice their age.  I don't think it's reasonable to assert that the child has the advantage in such a relationship and I think his caveats are generally suspect. 

Milo spoke of a personal sexual encounter in positive terms. Crucify him!

Note: the whole world knows the scandal about the child-molesting catholic priests.



Slimebeast said:
Final-Fan said:

He said he lost his virginity (at 13 I thought he said, but I could be misremembering) in a five-way homosexual encounter, and spoke of it in positive terms.  That certainly violates the "third party" angle of the German sex law, leaving aside the fact that it took place AFAIK in Britain where the age of consent is higher. 

Another thing that happened to Milo that he spoke of as a good thing to happen to other people is giving blowjobs to his priest (he was 14 and the priest was 28).  This is certainly a situation with an extremely strong likelihood of exploitation based on the social power a priest has over a boy (in addition to the physical power the average adult has over the average 14 year old, and Milo doesn't look like he was an incredibly large and strong 14 year old). 

(Side note:  I don't know how it is in Europe, but we've had a significant and long-term scandal here in the USA about priests sexually abusing boys, so this in particular may have hit a nerve in terms of public reaction even beyond the rest of it.) 

Yes, he did speak of relationships at these ages in the context of the younger person being "sexually mature", but on the other hand he spoke of kids that age "taking advantage" of teachers twice their age.  I don't think it's reasonable to assert that the child has the advantage in such a relationship and I think his caveats are generally suspect. 

Milo spoke of a personal sexual encounter in positive terms. Crucify him!

Note: the whole world knows the scandal about the child-molesting catholic priests.

A crime is still a crime, however you like to disguise it.



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Slimebeast said:
Final-Fan said:

 

He was very clearly against pedophilia, you admit it with your own words.

And in Germany the age of consent is 14. EOD.

Countries with lower aoc have limitations that both partners have to be young, like Romeo & Juliet.



numberwang said:
Slimebeast said:

He was very clearly against pedophilia, you admit it with your own words.

And in Germany the age of consent is 14. EOD.

Countries with lower aoc have limitations that both partners have to be young, like Romeo & Juliet.

If you read the details of the German law, the only requirement is that if the older person is above 21 years old the fourteen year old must complain that they have been exploited for charges to be brought up, and enforcement has a maximum sentence of three years. That is less restrictive than a Romeo and Juliet law. 



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