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Hiku said:
Slimebeast said:

Lügen presse, the Swedish newspaper is lying right in our face!

All the bolded quotes there made by Horowitz and Fox are completely true. Aftonbladet is a lying propaganda organ.

This is a farse. The whole media establishment usually critizises Sweden, but now now because Trump exposed the truth what's going on here, they're all rising up in defense for our corrupt system.

Of course those policemen that were interviewed are going to complain now because all of a sudden they got the whole worlds attention. Because here in Sweden you are not allowed to say the truth about immigrant crime without severe consequences. That's why the police always talks about "gang related" or "suburb related" violence, but they can't say it's commited by people with foreign background.

That's not how adults debate. The article provided links to independant sources with data that debunk Fox News' claims.
If you want to claim they are untrue, then provide facts that disprove them. Don't just baselessly claim that they are wrong. No one is interested in empty noise.
For example. Fox News claimed that 160 000 refugees arrived in Sweden 2016.
But according to Migrationsverket, only 30 000 did.

https://www.migrationsverket.se/Om-Migrationsverket/Statistik.html
Go ahead and show us how Migrationsverket's stats are wrong, and Fox News stats are correct?
There is no source on this planet more accurate than Migrationsverket about Swedens immigration. Because you know... it's their job.

The police in Sweden can often times not reference ethnicity in a report of a crime, unless it's relevant to that particular case. Such as releasing a description of a suspect in order to spread awareness of a looming threat, or to get info from witnesses. This has to do with anti discrimination laws, and does not just apply too immigrants as you try to make it seem.

And Trump exposed the truth? Topics about Sweden's immigration system has been readily available and discussed for years. That's nothing new. The only thing he exposed was that he is utterly confused, and thought that an event mentioned in a TV show he watched happened last night. And he is once again the laughing stock around the world.
Him and his staff have spread so much falsehood in just the past few weeks that it's almost like a comic book story. A Bowling Green massacre that never happened. Him having the largest electoral votes since Reagan, when he didn't even have more than the past two presidents Obama or Goerge W Bush. "No one has the numbers of the inauguration. But it was the largest inaguration, period." "2-3 million illegal votes were cast for Hilary" but there's no evidence to support that claim. He said the murder rate is the highest it's been in 47 years, and that media doesn't report on it. But no one reports on it because it's not true.



It's nowhere near what it was in the 80's and 90's. Etc.
Trump is the king of fake news, because he seemingly can't tell the difference before he sprouts things that are demonstrably untrue.

Yeah, I later saw that Fox/Horowitz mixed up the years 2015 and 2016. It was in 2015 that 160,000 migrants came to a country of 10 million, not in 2016.Wow, big deal....

But the rest of the points were correct, and our media (Sweden) is in complete damage control mode. It's a disgrace. A farse. I am very thankful to Fox and Trump that they specifically brought the world public's attention to the horrible, crazy situation in Sweden and how we hide the truth about crime commited by foreigners.



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LadyJasmine said:
Just because the murder rate is down does not excuse why Chicago a city of 2.6 million had 760 murder last year far more then countries like Canada and Great Britain with 35 million and 60 million people.

The thing is a city like Chicago has strict gun laws and has been under democratic control for over 50 years.

https://mic.com/articles/127842/this-is-how-chicago-gets-flooded-with-illegal-guns#.2zAc0Q3IF

Any more questions?



Hiku said:
Slimebeast said:

Yeah, I later saw that Fox/Horowitz mixed up the years 2015 and 2016. It was in 2015 that 160,000 migrants came to a country of 10 million, not in 2016.Wow, big deal....

But the rest of the points were correct, and our media (Sweden) is in complete damage control mode. It's a disgrace. A farse. I am very thankful to Fox and Trump that they specifically brought the world public's attention to the horrible, crazy situation in Sweden and how we hide the truth about crime commited by foreigners.

You said:

"All the bolded quotes there made by Horowitz and Fox are completely true."

All of them. Your claim is false. You were either lying, or didn't fact check.
Why should anyone belive what you say if you lie or don't fact check? And once again you didn't provide any counter-facts to disprove the claims you wrongfully claimed were all untrue.

You must work for the media. You did a great job nitpicking.

WHat do you think, Slimebeast deserves 4 1/2 pinochio's noses?



Hiku said:
Slimebeast said:

Yeah, I later saw that Fox/Horowitz mixed up the years 2015 and 2016. It was in 2015 that 160,000 migrants came to a country of 10 million, not in 2016.Wow, big deal....

But the rest of the points were correct, and our media (Sweden) is in complete damage control mode. It's a disgrace. A farse. I am very thankful to Fox and Trump that they specifically brought the world public's attention to the horrible, crazy situation in Sweden and how we hide the truth about crime commited by foreigners.

You said:

"All the bolded quotes there made by Horowitz and Fox are completely true."

All of them. Your claim is false. You were either lying, or didn't fact check.
Why should anyone belive what you say if you lie or don't fact check? And once again you didn't provide any counter-facts to disprove the statements you wrongfully claimed were all untrue.

That you have to resort to such nitpicking shows you lost the argument.

It doesn't make a difference if the 160,000 refugees came in 2015 or in 2016!



This happened:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/riots-erupt-in-swedens-capital-just-days-after-trump-comments/



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Goatseye said:
LadyJasmine said:
Just because the murder rate is down does not excuse why Chicago a city of 2.6 million had 760 murder last year far more then countries like Canada and Great Britain with 35 million and 60 million people.

The thing is a city like Chicago has strict gun laws and has been under democratic control for over 50 years.

https://mic.com/articles/127842/this-is-how-chicago-gets-flooded-with-illegal-guns#.2zAc0Q3IF

Any more questions?

 

Yeah you just proved my point.

The gun law is pointless, as people can easily get guns from other states..



Goatseye said:
LadyJasmine said:
Just because the murder rate is down does not excuse why Chicago a city of 2.6 million had 760 murder last year far more then countries like Canada and Great Britain with 35 million and 60 million people.

The thing is a city like Chicago has strict gun laws and has been under democratic control for over 50 years.

https://mic.com/articles/127842/this-is-how-chicago-gets-flooded-with-illegal-guns#.2zAc0Q3IF

Any more questions?

So they put in a gun law, even though they around states with tons of guns and now have far more murder then bigger cities like LA and NYC?

Maybe the reason they have so many murders is due to the segreation and poverty in a city controlled by democrats who 'care' about such issues who likely live in the North and Core of the city and never venture to the South Side.

 

 I been there great city but the bad areas are an embarassment. 



LadyJasmine said:
Goatseye said:

https://mic.com/articles/127842/this-is-how-chicago-gets-flooded-with-illegal-guns#.2zAc0Q3IF

Any more questions?

So they put in a gun law, even though they around states with tons of guns and now have far more murder then bigger cities like LA and NYC?

Maybe the reason they have so many murders is due to the segreation and poverty in a city controlled by democrats who 'care' about such issues who likely live in the North and Core of the city and never venture to the South Side.

 

 I been there great city but the bad areas are an embarassment. 

How can you politicize this issue? And conviniently leave out the bloodiest period of Chicago, which was the mob era?

Organized crime in Chicago had its framework laid since its inception.

Sure, Al Capone was segregated and lived in the South side, I wonder what group of people live in the South side.



Goatseye said:
LadyJasmine said:

So they put in a gun law, even though they around states with tons of guns and now have far more murder then bigger cities like LA and NYC?

Maybe the reason they have so many murders is due to the segreation and poverty in a city controlled by democrats who 'care' about such issues who likely live in the North and Core of the city and never venture to the South Side.

 

 I been there great city but the bad areas are an embarassment. 

How can you politicize this issue? And conviniently leave out the bloodiest period of Chicago, which was the mob era?

Organized crime in Chicago had its framework laid since its inception.

Sure, Al Capone was segregated and lived in the South side, I wonder what group of people live in the South side.

So major cities like LA and NYC with a history of violence have controlled the situation but Chicago has not...

 

Why? 



LadyJasmine said:
Goatseye said:

https://mic.com/articles/127842/this-is-how-chicago-gets-flooded-with-illegal-guns#.2zAc0Q3IF

Any more questions?

 

Yeah you just proved my point.

The gun law is pointless, as people can easily get guns from other states..

"I think that it's more likely that if Chicago did not have tough gun laws, they would have higher rates of gun violence than they do have," Duke University public policy researcher and University of Chicago Crime Lab gun expert Philip Cook told Bloomberg.

...the chief of the ATF's violent crime and intelligence division has compared trafficked guns to cockroaches in the apartment complex," writes the Trace. "If you aggressively treat the problem in one place, while leaving it unchecked elsewhere, the infestations will continue."

I placed a link on my graph for a reason. Obviously you don't care about informing yourself.

And I prove your point?