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VGPolyglot said:
LadyJasmine said:

Sweden refugee policy was a failure not because they took in refugees.

Its because idiots forgot its a country of a few million and taking 100's of thousands is a bit unwise.

 

 

The fact they had to shut down the flow and take control of the situation showed without a fact that unchecked open door policy of Sweden was a failure and that countries like Norway, Denmark, Finland that are around it do not face those problems. 

Well, Germany took in millions of immigrants from the east after World War II, much more than they did even today, and seemed to have recovered from it just fine.

That was a different situation entirely. First, the immigrants from the east came over not all at once, but gradually over time, years and even decades. It was easier to prepare for. Second, many of the immigrants were German themselves, so language and culture wasn't an issue. Third, Germany was still recovering from the Second World War and the industrialized West's rapidly growing economy was always in need of more workers.



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LadyJasmine said:

Sweden refugee policy was a failure not because they took in refugees.

Its because idiots forgot its a country of a few million and taking 100's of thousands is a bit unwise.

 

 

The fact they had to shut down the flow and take control of the situation showed without a fact that unchecked open door policy of Sweden was a failure and that countries like Norway, Denmark, Finland that are around it do not face those problems. 

Not facing worldproblems is great ask any Swiss. 



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VGPolyglot said:
LadyJasmine said:

I never attacked Muslims, I am attacking stupid SJW who cant defend thier flawed ideals. 

 

 

If the refugee policy was going so well, why did German and Sweden have to dramatically reduce the levels?? 

Maybe because there aren't as many refugees trying to come in? Look right here, the number of applicants is lower:

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_quarterly_report

Ofcourse there are not applying for asylum as much.  Balkan route is closed. Bulgaria has fences and a whole army of police to keep them out.

They put them in camps. And use force to keep them out. Also there is that Multi Billion Euro Deal with Turkey that Merkel did, which also keeps them out.

If the open border policy of 2015 would still persist we would have another 1-2 Million more refugees here.

Its simply an overload for the social systems in Germany and Sweden. We even give 4000 Euro to anyone who is willing to go home. (Obviously not Syrians but North africans/Albanians/Afghanis and others.)

A refugee costs like 12k and more a year. With 1.1 Million of them its a cost of 13 Billion Euro per year. And we expect 500000 Family members of the syrians to come here too. 

Its an incredible cost and burden. Which is why I am for a limit of refugees. The money and ressources that germans created has also its limits. You cant expect any nation to destroy itself with altruism. I think there should be EU regulations so countries like Sweden and Germany will be stopped from harming themselfs too much economically. 



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areason said:
Lafiel said:

we (Germany) stopped taking in high quantities of refugees, because our german population showed drastic spikes in hate crimes and voters drifted towards extreme right parties

a number of the ~1.5 million refugees we host were ofcourse involved in crime (much to the delight of right wing parties and the gutter press), a few even in rape or murder (mostly against other refugees), but generally their criminal statistics aren't alarmingly higher than the local populace, especially when compared to people living in similar economic situations

the famous case of the 2016 new years rapings in cologne was disgusting, repulsive and can't be condenmend enough, but it was also mostly orchestrated by north african migrants (north africans in germany unfortunately show a significantly higher crime rate) and the Police did well to analyze what/how/why this happened and prevented similar occurrences this year - I'm sure every police force in germany will plan mass events with that in mind for years/decades to come, to ensure everyone's and especially every woman's safety as well as possible (without devolving into a police/surveillence state)

Yeah dude, migrants commit the same amount of crime as Germans. 

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7470/germany-migrants-crime

Nice try. The amount of crimes committed by migrants only increased by 79% even though the number of immigrants increased by 440%.

It's also proven that Syrians and Afghans commit far less crimes per capita than other immigrants especially from Eastern Europe and North Africa, which mostly don't have a right of asylum anyway.



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LadyJasmine said:

Sweden refugee policy was a failure not because they took in refugees.

Its because idiots forgot its a country of a few million and taking 100's of thousands is a bit unwise.

 

 

The fact they had to shut down the flow and take control of the situation showed without a fact that unchecked open door policy of Sweden was a failure and that countries like Norway, Denmark, Finland that are around it do not face those problems. 

I agree with this.  They were crazy taking in so many. 

 

In ireland during the booming economy of 2000-2008 we had a crazy number of eastern Europeans. It caused a lot of social problems in ireland.  The number was too high in too short a time.  

 

Now however since the economic crash most returned home and we're left with a more moderate number of eastern Europeans.  For example 150k poles. These are generally the more decent people who want to stay and work here.  They are mixing into the community very well and the bad will of the public during the boom years is generally gone now.  

 

To me it's all about numbers.  Immigration is OK within moderation. 



VGPolyglot said:

Well, Germany took in millions of immigrants from the east after World War II, much more than they did even today, and seemed to have recovered from it just fine.

Most of those millions of immigrants then moved to USA/Canada/Australia, and they didn't have welfare benefits in Germany...



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LadyJasmine said:
So the Cologne Sex Attacks are seen as fake news by Social Justice Warriors?

No, just the ridiculous 1000+ number.

We're also not keen using certain incidences to crimanilize whole groups of a population. There might as well been 100 Syrians who grabbed a million women, that doesn't make it right to demonize all immigrants.

Germany has been taking in immigrants in the millions in the past decades even before the middle eastern crisis escalated. Most of them eastern european and above all Turkish people. There are millions of muslim immigrants in this country with their families and they have been here for decades. Claiming that taking a few hundred thousand more of them is somehow driving the country into ruin is just ridiculous.

Germany is doing just fine and the current most popular party in the country is left wing.



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zero129 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yes, it's extreme circumstances that made them decide to escape the war. If the only reason they moved was to have a good life in the welfare state, why wouldn't they have moved on-masse in 2004, when many of the Eastern European countries joined? Why did it take 11 years for them to do so?

How many of them has canada taking in??.

About 55 thousand in 2016.