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areason on 20 February 2017
Lafiel said:
LadyJasmine said:

So according to you Germany and Sweden put on control and limits on refugees because numbers were going down.

I think it makes more sense that by putting limits and controls the number willing to come to those countries has gone down.

 

Or maybe your just that stupid? 

we (Germany) stopped taking in high quantities of refugees, because our german population showed drastic spikes in hate crimes and voters drifted towards extreme right parties

a number of the ~1.5 million refugees we host were ofcourse involved in crime (much to the delight of right wing parties and the gutter press), a few even in rape or murder (mostly against other refugees), but generally their criminal statistics aren't alarmingly higher than the local populace, especially when compared to people living in similar economic situations

the famous case of the 2016 new years rapings in cologne was disgusting, repulsive and can't be condenmend enough, but it was also mostly orchestrated by north african migrants (north africans in germany unfortunately show a significantly higher crime rate) and the Police did well to analyze what/how/why this happened and prevented similar occurrences this year - I'm sure every police force in germany will plan mass events with that in mind for years/decades to come, to ensure everyone's and especially every woman's safety as well as possible (without devolving into a police/surveillence state)

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/immigrant-crime-in-germany/

To add to my earlier reply, i don't know what you are smoking if you seriously think that immigrants have the same crime statistics as locals! 



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Lafiel on 20 February 2017
areason said:
VGPolyglot said:

That's because immigrants are poorer than the average German:

http://www.migrationsrecht.net/european-immigration-migration-law/poverty-among-immigrants-in-germany.html

You again didn't bother to read the article and look at the statiscitcs, and to see the 80 percent increase between 2014 and 2015. 

And no shit if the refugees were living in mansions, with thousands of dollar and gold diggers going after them, they woudn't need to commit crime woudn't they? 

yes crime rose by 80%, because the total amount of refugees in germany rose by 155% - derp

 

areason said:

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/immigrant-crime-in-germany/

To add to my earlier reply, i don't know what you are smoking if you seriously think that immigrants have the same crime statistics as locals! 

your right wing propaganda sites with missing source links (404), hilarously biased statistics (how do you do a murders / 100k stats if there's not even 100k ppl of the country of origin here in ger?  - laughably unscientific) and blunt alarmism do nothing for me



areason on 20 February 2017
Lafiel said:
areason said:

You again didn't bother to read the article and look at the statiscitcs, and to see the 80 percent increase between 2014 and 2015. 

And no shit if the refugees were living in mansions, with thousands of dollar and gold diggers going after them, they woudn't need to commit crime woudn't they? 

yes crime rose by 80%, because the total amount of refugees in germany rose by 155% - derp

If you actually read the article, instead of just sulking about.

You would have read that it does not include all areas of Germany (including the most populated one), and that it includes the crime of "migrants" and not just Refugees (Albanians and other demopgrahics that did not have an increase are inlcuded in it).

It also states that the report only disclosed solved cases, and that unsolved crimes aren't part of it.

So yeah derp!

 



areason on 20 February 2017
Lafiel said:
areason said:

You again didn't bother to read the article and look at the statiscitcs, and to see the 80 percent increase between 2014 and 2015. 

And no shit if the refugees were living in mansions, with thousands of dollar and gold diggers going after them, they woudn't need to commit crime woudn't they? 

yes crime rose by 80%, because the total amount of refugees in germany rose by 155% - derp

 

areason said:

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/immigrant-crime-in-germany/

To add to my earlier reply, i don't know what you are smoking if you seriously think that immigrants have the same crime statistics as locals! 

your right wing propaganda sites with missing source links (404), hilarously biased statistics (how do you do a murders / 100k stats if there's not even 100k ppl of the country of origin here in ger?  - laughably unscientific) and blunt alarmism do nothing for me

Ever heard of ratios? 

And yeah right wing propaganda sites or not, it's using data given out by the german govermant, so really bravo, ignoring the data and focusing on the messenger. 

Despite the link being broken, you can clearly see the infographic. 



Lafiel on 20 February 2017
areason said:
Lafiel said:

yes crime rose by 80%, because the total amount of refugees in germany rose by 155% - derp

 

your right wing propaganda sites with missing source links (404), hilarously biased statistics (how do you do a murders / 100k stats if there's not even 100k ppl of the country of origin here in ger?  - laughably unscientific) and blunt alarmism do nothing for me

Ever heard of ratios? 

And yeah right wing propaganda sites or not, it's using data given out by the german govermant, so really bravo, ignoring the data and focusing on the messenger. 

Despite the link being broken, you can clearly see the infographic. 

yes I know of ratios, I use them every damn day in my _WORK_

and if I have 3 days of 28mm³ groundwater genesis, that doesn't equate to 3407mm³ per year

just like 1 murder in a total population of 15000 doesn't equate to 6.6 murders per 100k per year, it's unscientific "lying with numbers" crap to do this

the "infographic" wasn't made by the BKA, but by somebody else, which you would know if you had read your link



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fatslob-:O on 20 February 2017
Hiku said:

Yes it does explain the disparity.
Over a decade ago Sweden introduced a new sex-crime law with the world’s most expansive definition of rape. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-rape-crisis-isnt-what-it-seems/article30019623/

"Imagine, for example, if your boss rubbed against you in an unwanted way at work once a week for a year. In Canada, this would potentially be a case of sexual assault. Under Germany’s more limited laws, it would be zero cases. In Sweden, it would be tallied as 52 separate cases of rape"

If you believe there's nearly 70 times more rape (by the general definition) in Sweden than Indonesia, Serbia, etc, or anywhere near that number for that matter, then you need to do more research.

Because of Sweden's extremely expansive definition of rape, the most expansive in the world, a lot things that are not filed as rape in other countries, are in Sweden.

So if another country suddenly decide to classify bumping shoulders as rape, they'll naturally top the charts. And ppl can use those numbers to make innacurate comparisons like you did.

No it doesn't ... 

Their tallying reports, not cases but reports and it's just sad that people in Sweden are 2.5 times more likely than people in the US to report it ...

Sexual harassment isn't any less of a crime either so downplaying that doesn't help your argument ... 



Goatseye on 20 February 2017
VGPolyglot said:
areason said:

Yeah dude, migrants commit the same amount of crime as Germans. 

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7470/germany-migrants-crime

That's because immigrants are poorer than the average German:

http://www.migrationsrecht.net/european-immigration-migration-law/poverty-among-immigrants-in-germany.html

First, investigate who is Gatestone Institute.



SvennoJ on 20 February 2017
Hiku said:
SvennoJ said:
How do we know this isn't the left fake news attempting to discredit the right fake news trying to educate the tragically confused president. Besides that's from foreign press, must be lying.

Feelings > facts !

Just nuke Sweden, get it over with, country has gone to hell anyway. Don't let them muskies have it. It's time to send a strong message. Much safer than messing around in the ME too.

But, but... I wanted a sequel to Pippi Longstocking. =/

By the way, I'm convinced Trump was actually watching a Pippi Longstocking film.
It's called Pippi Långstrump in Swedish, so that must have caught his attention as he was flipping channels.

Then he saw her with her dad, who's obviously a muslim pirate.

Can you believe what happened in Sweden last night? Sweden of all places!?

That actually explains a lot. Pippi must be Trumps childhood role model, lot of similarities in their personality. Trump is the sequel to Pippi Longstocking.



m_csquare on 21 February 2017

Wtf lol. This guy needs to take his job more seriously



vivster on 21 February 2017
LadyJasmine said:
VGPolyglot said:

Let's talk about Yugoslavia then, after World War II the Bosnians, Serbs and Croats were able to get along relatively well for 40 years despite engaging in massacres in the years prior.

The point is if everything was going so well, why did you guys start accepting far fewer then?

maybe because 1000+ women got sexually assaulted during New years eve? 

Dude, where do you get your fake news?



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