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Barkley on 22 February 2017
curl-6 said:

At this point I think Switch is also somewhat limited by Wii U; Breath of the Wild and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe are Wii U games, Splatoon 2 looks like it reuses a lot of assets from the first game. They're not really built from the ground up to take advantage of the new hardware, just like cross-gen PS4 games weren't.

Even Super Mario Odyssey looks like it had it's roots in WiiU Development.



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Eagle367 on 22 February 2017
Pemalite said:
Eagle367 said:

I won't pretend to understand this jargon but isn't the switch speculated to be 16nm based on the pics leaked of its interior


TSMC's 16nm process is basically 20nm with added Finfet, it still uses a 20nm BEOL, but does reduce the contacted poly pitch from 90nm to 80nm, but that is thanks to Finfet taking advantage of Z-height.
FEOL does get reduced compared to 20nm Planar, down to 16/14nm.
Planar = 2D Transistors.
Finfet = 3D Transistors. Essentially.

Density between TSMC's 16nm and 20nm process shouldn't be catastrophically different, most of the gains is thanks to Finfet, TSMC does use double patterning at 20nm and pitch splitting at 16nm finfet.

The main advantage with 16nm Finfet is that there should be less leakage, which should result in less electricity being wasted... Which means you can increase the chip size (More CUDA Cores) or you increase the clockspeed which gives you more performance for the same amount of power being consumed.

nVidia is building a 512 Cuda core based Tegra on 16nm Finfet (Volta/Xaviar), which should be possible on 20nm Planar, provided clocks are kept in check, but such a SoC would shine at 16nm Finfet and lower.

wow I am lost for words. I seriously realized how people feel when I talk about physics with them. Wow  i understood nothing



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curl-6 on 22 February 2017
maxleresistant said:
curl-6 said:

At this point I think Switch is also somewhat limited by Wii U; Breath of the Wild and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe are Wii U games, Splatoon 2 looks like it reuses a lot of assets from the first game. They're not really built from the ground up to take advantage of the new hardware, just like cross-gen PS4 games weren't.

We'll probably see in 2018, but I'm not expecting something anywhere near an Xbox One

Oh I'm not expecting close to Xbox One graphics either, simply that Switch games coming out 2018 and beyond should look better than stuff like Breath of the Wild, Splatoon 2, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, etc.

 

Barkley said:
curl-6 said:

At this point I think Switch is also somewhat limited by Wii U; Breath of the Wild and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe are Wii U games, Splatoon 2 looks like it reuses a lot of assets from the first game. They're not really built from the ground up to take advantage of the new hardware, just like cross-gen PS4 games weren't.

Even Super Mario Odyssey looks like it had it's roots in WiiU Development.

It possibly did, but its the only Switch game so far that actually looks better than anything on Wii U to me.



Uabit on 22 February 2017
Soundwave said:
If it was actually that power it would be able to run Breath of the Wild at 1080p easily, but it caps off at 900p.

900p and a giant downgrade...



maxleresistant on 22 February 2017
curl-6 said:
maxleresistant said:

We'll probably see in 2018, but I'm not expecting something anywhere near an Xbox One

Oh I'm not expecting close to Xbox One graphics either, simply that Switch games coming out 2018 and beyond should look better than stuff like Breath of the Wild, Splatoon 2, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, etc.

 

Barkley said:

Even Super Mario Odyssey looks like it had it's roots in WiiU Development.

It possibly did, but its the only Switch game so far that actually looks better than anything on Wii U to me.

That I totally agree with. For example the most beautiful game on switch to me is arms. And it was obviously build for the switch.

I hope the switch will have great first party support. As great as the NGC had



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Pemalite on 22 February 2017
Eagle367 said:

wow I am lost for words. I seriously realized how people feel when I talk about physics with them. Wow  i understood nothing

Physics plays a role in semiconductor technology. It's hard to dumb it down any more than that though.



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Eagle367 on 23 February 2017
Pemalite said:
Eagle367 said:

wow I am lost for words. I seriously realized how people feel when I talk about physics with them. Wow  i understood nothing

Physics plays a role in semiconductor technology. It's hard to dumb it down any more than that though.

of course but physics plays a role in everything from moving to living to football so that doesn't help when you talk from a technological viewpoint. you are not talking about their macromolecular or macromolecular structure here, You are talking about their flops and stats and stuff like that which technologically sound people can understand



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