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fatslob-:O said:
VGPolyglot said:

Well, obviously I don't just want to switch into direct democracy with everything else the same. The whole system would have to change.

What part of the system are you speaking of that would have to change ? 

The economic system, in particular.



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VGPolyglot said:

The economic system, in particular.

That's not really a part of the government ... 

That's mostly a part of the public so it's uncontrollable for the most part ... 



It means absolutely nothing.

If you sample people when something bad is going on, you can find some people regretting it. If you sample them when things are going well, it reverses.

You have to ultimately give it time before people come up with a clear idea. He'll be judged at the end of 4 years. And Brexit will be judged based on how it turns out in the long term. The short term fluctuations mean very little.



fatslob-:O said:
VGPolyglot said:

The economic system, in particular.

That's not really a part of the government ... 

That's mostly a part of the public so it's uncontrollable for the most part ... 

The government regulates the economy, the lobbyists contribute to government expidenture, the government decides what to do to people who try to interfere the economic norms, etc. The economy in its current state is inseparable from the government.



VGPolyglot said:

The government regulates the economy, the lobbyists contribute to government expidenture, the government decides what to do to people who try to interfere the economic norms, etc. The economy in its current state is inseparable from the government.

The government hardly has any power to regulate economy and practically ALL of the voters are lobbyists one way or another since citizens pose as conflicts of interests to the legislatures ... 

What better tool is there out there for lobbying when you have the ultimate power to influence the legislature through voting ? 



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fatslob-:O said:
VGPolyglot said:

The government regulates the economy, the lobbyists contribute to government expidenture, the government decides what to do to people who try to interfere the economic norms, etc. The economy in its current state is inseparable from the government.

The government hardly has any power to regulate economy and practically ALL of the voters are lobbyists one way or another since citizens pose as conflicts of interests to the legislatures ... 

What better tool is there out there for lobbying when you have the ultimate power to influence the legislature through voting ? 

The citizens as a group have a lot of power, yes, but since they are frequently put at odds against each other, they do not have as much power as you seem to suggest. Anyways, I guess that this is getting off-topic anyways. I didn't vote for Trump, and I don't regret not voting for him nor do I regret not voting for someone else.



VGPolyglot said:

The citizens as a group have a lot of power, yes, but since they are frequently put at odds against each other, they do not have as much power as you seem to suggest. Anyways, I guess that this is getting off-topic anyways. I didn't vote for Trump, and I don't regret not voting for him nor do I regret not voting for someone else.

Money doesn't have ANY power like you seemingly imply when all it comes down to is voting so citizens are the only things that candidates can rely on ... 

It's not quite getting off-topic just yet. In the end money does not matter when it comes to voting and Clinton had to learn that the hard way ... 



fatslob-:O said:
VGPolyglot said:

The citizens as a group have a lot of power, yes, but since they are frequently put at odds against each other, they do not have as much power as you seem to suggest. Anyways, I guess that this is getting off-topic anyways. I didn't vote for Trump, and I don't regret not voting for him nor do I regret not voting for someone else.

Money doesn't have ANY power like you seemingly imply when all it comes down to is voting so citizens are the only things that candidates can rely on ... 

It's not quite getting off-topic just yet. In the end money does not matter when it comes to voting and Clinton had to learn that the hard way ... 

Yes, money does matter. The enormous costs of a campaign makes it nearly impossible for the majority of the people to participate. Also, I think that Clinton is still doing rather well...She's not in jail, she's rich and she still has a lot of sway and influence.



VGPolyglot said:

Yes, money does matter. The enormous costs of a campaign makes it nearly impossible for the majority of the people to participate. Also, I think that Clinton is still doing rather well...She's not in jail, she's rich and she still has a lot of sway and influence.

You don't NEED an extensive campaign, President Lincoln was able to win by raising only $2.8 million in today's value ... 

Even then money only matters in running a campaign, not winning an election ... 

You think Clinton still has a lot of sway and influence even though she's not holding an office anymore whether as a senator or as a secretary of state ? OK, whatever you think buddy ... 



fatslob-:O said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yes, money does matter. The enormous costs of a campaign makes it nearly impossible for the majority of the people to participate. Also, I think that Clinton is still doing rather well...She's not in jail, she's rich and she still has a lot of sway and influence.

You don't NEED an extensive campaign, President Lincoln was able to win by raising only $2.8 million in today's value ... 

Even then money only matters in running a campaign, not winning an election ... 

You think Clinton still has a lot of sway and influence even though she's not holding an office anymore whether as a senator or as a secretary of state ? OK, whatever you think buddy ... 

2.8 million dollars is more than a large number of Americans will ever make in their lifetime. Yes, I still think she has a lot of sway and influence without holding office. Obama probably does too and he's not in office anymore, so why wouldn't Hillary?