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Miyamotoo said:

Lol, of course that OoT influenced all future 3D Zelda's and some other games in industry (with its mechanics, world, pacing, dungeons, battles, bosses...). This has nothing with nostalgia, because I actually played ALTTP before OoT, and fact is that PoT is best reviewed and widely considered for best game of all time.

Even Aonuma said that he always trying to top Ocarina of Time, and that he feels he done that with BoTW.

No this is an example of being drunk with Nostalgia it's not about which game you played first it's about how you're looking back at them, for a start Dungeons, Pacing, Bosses and World were defined by ALTTP even the fight with Ganondorf is a version of the Agahim battle, even the first 3D game after OOT used a completely different structure for progression, mechanics and concept so what you're saying is a vast exaggeration as OOT only had a few vague influences on the games after it with the only exception being TP.

Ofcourse Aonuma would say that as he want's to top the impact the game had as a Zelda game however OOT has beend topped for many people already.



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Wyrdness said:
m_csquare said:

and ppl also said RE7 VR is a completely different experience compared to the standard RE7. just food for thought

Yeah and? Point doesn't even match the context of the argument as ultimately RE7 is still the same game which would not be far off in comparing the approaches of OOT and ALTTP.

it was to prove that the format of the game matters? like the transition from 2d to 3d or 3d to VR actually matters and adds a completely different alas better experience? Wasnt the other guy trying to say this since the very beginning of this thread?



No, no chance. Oot was revolutionary, this isnt. No game will surpass Oot unless it is equally mindblowing for its time as oott was for its time.



m_csquare said:
Wyrdness said:

Yeah and? Point doesn't even match the context of the argument as ultimately RE7 is still the same game which would not be far off in comparing the approaches of OOT and ALTTP.

it was to prove that the format of the game matters? like the transition from 2d to 3d or 3d to VR actually matters and adds a completely different alas better experience? Wasnt the other guy trying to say this since the very beginning of this thread?

No that's what me and Mzu were saying in that the difference in format is what differentiates the games. :/



mZuzek said:
Miyamotoo said:

Lol, Its not about nostalgia. I played ALTTP when I was younger. OoT (3DS) is great game even in 2017", but people can't really see why Zelda OoT has meta score of 99 and why is widely considered for best game of all time if they didnt played it around 98", of course you want have same experience if you played OoT in 98" and you play it almost 20 years later. In 98" OoT so many things done for 1st time ever in gaming industry and it was so much different (I would said and better) than any other game on market, while almost 20 years later you already saw most of those thing in later games too.

So you're just making my point even clearer.

I'm saying Ocarina of Time isn't the best Zelda game ever. You're saying "it's not the same experience today", hence admitting the game has aged poorly, and without the revolution/innovation factor it is simply worse than other games in the franchise.

And ALTTP isnt the same experience today.A Link Betwenn Worlds is a better game.Every game age, it dosent mean that the game was/is bad.



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Wyrdness said:
Miyamotoo said:

Lol, of course that OoT influenced all future 3D Zelda's and some other games in industry (with its mechanics, world, pacing, dungeons, battles, bosses...). This has nothing with nostalgia, because I actually played ALTTP before OoT, and fact is that PoT is best reviewed and widely considered for best game of all time.

Even Aonuma said that he always trying to top Ocarina of Time, and that he feels he done that with BoTW.

No this is an example of being drunk with Nostalgia it's not about which game you played first it's about how you're looking back at them, for a start Dungeons, Pacing, Bosses and World were defined by ALTTP even the fight with Ganondorf is a version of the Agahim battle, even the first 3D game after OOT used a completely different structure for progression, mechanics and concept so what you're saying is a vast exaggeration as OOT only had a few vague influences on the games after it with the only exception being TP.

Ofcourse Aonuma would say that as he want's to top the impact the game had as a Zelda game however OOT has beend topped for many people already.

Nope, doesnt has anuthing with nostalgia. OoT was so much better experience and so much better game than other game on market than ALTTP was. Again, clear fact that you keep ignoring why exactly OoT is highest rating Zelda and game of all times and widly consider for best game ever, but not ALTTP or any other 3D game!?

But OoT had sucha a huge impact beacuse its a masterpice game, not just beacuse its "1st 3D Zelda".

 

 

mZuzek said:
Miyamotoo said:

Lol, Its not about nostalgia. I played ALTTP when I was younger. OoT (3DS) is great game even in 2017", but people can't really see why Zelda OoT has meta score of 99 and why is widely considered for best game of all time if they didnt played it around 98", of course you want have same experience if you played OoT in 98" and you play it almost 20 years later. In 98" OoT so many things done for 1st time ever in gaming industry and it was so much different (I would said and better) than any other game on market, while almost 20 years later you already saw most of those thing in later games too.

So you're just making my point even clearer.

I'm saying Ocarina of Time isn't the best Zelda game ever. You're saying "it's not the same experience today", hence admitting the game has aged poorly, and without the revolution/innovation factor it is simply worse than other games in the franchise.

Again Lol, I never said that OoT aged poorly, actually its great game even 20 years later, but of course that ever game age and that time influences on quality. For isntance is there a point to compare graphics of OoT and BotW, game from this year and game from 20 years ago!?



Miyamotoo said:

Nope, doesnt has anuthing with nostalgia. OoT was so much better experience and so much better game than other game on market than ALTTP was. Again, clear fact that you keep ignoring why exactly OoT is highest rating Zelda and game of all times and widly consider for best game ever, but not ALTTP or any other 3D game!?

But OoT had sucha a huge impact beacuse its a masterpice game, not just beacuse its "1st 3D Zelda".

The are many master pieces in that gen this is why your argument is complete BS OOT had an impact because of the technical designs and nothing more no amount of repeating your masterpiece comment is going to change that. Being the first 3D Zelda is a significant reason in its standing like it or not.



I doubt it. BotW isn't breaking any new grounds for its genre, but it may be for its franchise.



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mZuzek said:
Miyamotoo said:

Again Lol, I never said that OoT aged poorly, actually its great game even 20 years later, but of course that ever game age and that time influences on quality. For isntance is there a point to compare graphics of OoT and BotW, game from this year and game from 20 years ago!?

Yes, it is pointless to compare Breath of the Wild's graphics to any other Zelda game, because it is by far the prettiest one of them all - but that's not due just to it being "newer". Ocarina of Time is newer than A Link to the Past, and looks worse. Twilight Princess is newer than The Wind Waker, and looks worse (even on the HD remasters the same applies). Good graphics are determined by good art direction, and good use of the hardware it's on (then again, it's really hard to ever find a decent-looking game on any 3rd or 5th generation console). But anyway, graphics are not the only thing that age.

Gameplay also ages. Playing a game in sub-20fps nowadays, with extremely unresponsive controls today is extremely obnoxious.

Edit:
Playing a game nowadays where you're halted with dialogue that scrolls at an EXTREMELY slow speed every 3 minutes is extremely obnoxious.
Playing a game nowadays where you're forced to switch boots constantly in a water dungeon, but it takes 15+ seconds to switch is extremely obnoxious.

Look, I could go on and on. The truth is, some of these problems have been flaws ever since the game released, but back then they were probably overlooked by most who were amazed at the scope of the game and what not.

Thank you. Glad to know I'm not the only one on that page here.