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bigtakilla on 19 February 2017

Your points negate the fact that OoT was cutting edge while BOTW is playing catch up. OoT is still better.



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curl-6 on 19 February 2017
mZuzek said:

 Twilight Princess is newer than The Wind Waker, and looks worse (even on the HD remasters the same applies)

Nah, Twilight Princess actually looks like a Zelda game, while Wind Waker looks like a horrific Nickelodeon bootleg of one. :P



COKTOE on 19 February 2017
Miyamotoo said:
COKTOE said:
OOT was one of the best games of the worst gens ever. No disrespect to it. I loved it at the time, but doubt it would hold up today. Doubt it hard. BOTW will be better.

5. generation is worst generation ever!?

First 3D generation where we had games like Zelda OoT, Mario 64, FFVII, Metal Gear Solid, RE1/RE2, TombRaider 1/2, Silent Hill, Banjo Kazooie, Golden Eye 007, Twisted Metal 2....people dont realise how great games were and how huge leap was going from SM2 and SNES to PS1 and N64. I am in gaming from 3. generation and I can say that 5. generation is easily best generation in gaming.

It wasn't bad per se, but I do consider it to be weaker than most other gens. I find it the most difficult to return to and play. But like I say, it's not bad or anything. :)



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the_dengle on 19 February 2017
MTZehvor said:
the_dengle said:
We have this exact same discussion every 3-5 years and the answer is always yes.

...uh...how do we keep having the same discussion about whether OoT is the best if every new Zelda game dethrones it?

 

Don't ask me! I'm not the one who keeps bringing it up. All I know is every time a new Zelda comes out, it's the one that "finally surpasses Ocarina of Time." And then by the time the next one comes out, everyone forgets that there is a new Zelda game to beat and just falls back on "will it finally dethrone OOT??" again.

AKA the Zelda Cycle.



gtaguidelng on 19 February 2017

Zelda games are overhyped and always reviews well



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curl-6 on 20 February 2017
mZuzek said:
curl-6 said:

Nah, Twilight Princess actually looks like a Zelda game, while Wind Waker looks like a horrific Nickelodeon bootleg of one. :P

That's your opinion (which, I might add, is as dated as Twilight Princess).

What is a fact is that Wind Waker's artstyle still holds up pretty well nowadays whereas Twilight Princess looks like a steaming pile of shit on top of a crappy bunch of... ugliness.

That too is merely an opinion. I'd contend Twilight Princess still looks better than Wind Waker, since at least the former doesn't look like an episode of the Powerpuff Girls.



Miyamotoo on 20 February 2017
mZuzek said:
Miyamotoo said:

Again Lol, I never said that OoT aged poorly, actually its great game even 20 years later, but of course that ever game age and that time influences on quality. For isntance is there a point to compare graphics of OoT and BotW, game from this year and game from 20 years ago!?

Yes, it is pointless to compare Breath of the Wild's graphics to any other Zelda game, because it is by far the prettiest one of them all - but that's not due just to it being "newer". Ocarina of Time is newer than A Link to the Past, and looks worse. Twilight Princess is newer than The Wind Waker, and looks worse (even on the HD remasters the same applies). Good graphics are determined by good art direction, and good use of the hardware it's on (then again, it's really hard to ever find a decent-looking game on any 3rd or 5th generation console). But anyway, graphics are not the only thing that age.

Gameplay also ages. Playing a game in sub-20fps nowadays, with extremely unresponsive controls today is extremely obnoxious.

Edit:
Playing a game nowadays where you're halted with dialogue that scrolls at an EXTREMELY slow speed every 3 minutes is extremely obnoxious.
Playing a game nowadays where you're forced to switch boots constantly in a water dungeon, but it takes 15+ seconds to switch is extremely obnoxious.

Look, I could go on and on. The truth is, some of these problems have been flaws ever since the game released, but back then they were probably overlooked by most who were amazed at the scope of the game and what not.

Its pointels to compare graphics because offcourse it's most likely that game from 2017. will have better graphics than game from 20 years ago. And just for record, Zelda OoT in 98" had one of best graphics in that gen despite it was on cartridge.

Of Course that gameplay ages, same goes for graphics, some mechanics, that sub-20 fps is today unacceptable...games ages thats a fact, and that why is hard to compare todays games with some games from 20 years ago if you actualy didnt play that game 20 years ago, but fact also is that when OoT was launched it was groundbreaking game, masterpiece, almost perfect game without any flaws, and thats why is highest rating game of all time (99), and widely considered for best game of all time (Zelda OoT 3D is very good game even today, and you can just imagine how much good actualy was 20 yeas ago).

 

 

Wyrdness said:
Miyamotoo said:

Nope, doesnt has anuthing with nostalgia. OoT was so much better experience and so much better game than other game on market than ALTTP was. Again, clear fact that you keep ignoring why exactly OoT is highest rating Zelda and game of all times and widly consider for best game ever, but not ALTTP or any other 3D game!?

But OoT had sucha a huge impact beacuse its a masterpice game, not just beacuse its "1st 3D Zelda".

The are many master pieces in that gen this is why your argument is complete BS OOT had an impact because of the technical designs and nothing more no amount of repeating your masterpiece comment is going to change that. Being the first 3D Zelda is a significant reason in its standing like it or not.

And yet Zelda OoT is game with highest rating game of all time (99), and widely considered for best game of all time. This are clear facts, but what are you are writing is just your opinion without actualy anything to backup such a claims.

 

 

COKTOE said:
Miyamotoo said:

5. generation is worst generation ever!?

First 3D generation where we had games like Zelda OoT, Mario 64, FFVII, Metal Gear Solid, RE1/RE2, TombRaider 1/2, Silent Hill, Banjo Kazooie, Golden Eye 007, Twisted Metal 2....people dont realise how great games were and how huge leap was going from SM2 and SNES to PS1 and N64. I am in gaming from 3. generation and I can say that 5. generation is easily best generation in gaming.

It wasn't bad per se, but I do consider it to be weaker than most other gens. I find it the most difficult to return to and play. But like I say, it's not bad or anything. :)

Yes, 5. generation was 1st generation of 3D games so it's aged worse, but that means it aged bad not that was bad generation, because actually was best get, going from 4. gen to 5. gen was biggest leap in gaming history, in that gen we had so many games that are considered for some of best games ever.



curl-6 on 20 February 2017
mZuzek said:
curl-6 said:

That too is merely an opinion. I'd contend Twilight Princess still looks better than Wind Waker, since at least the former doesn't look like an episode of the Powerpuff Girls.

You say Powerpuff Girls as if it's a bad thing.

When I'm supposed to be going on an epic fantasy adventure, it kinda deflates any sense of dramatic weight when I'm playing what looks like cheesy Saturday morning cartoon.



Wyrdness on 20 February 2017
Miyamotoo said:

 

 

Wyrdness said:

The are many master pieces in that gen this is why your argument is complete BS OOT had an impact because of the technical designs and nothing more no amount of repeating your masterpiece comment is going to change that. Being the first 3D Zelda is a significant reason in its standing like it or not.

And yet Zelda OoT is game with highest rating game of all time (99), and widely considered for best game of all time. This are clear facts, but what are you are writing is just your opinion without actualy anything to backup such a claims.

 

 

Except rating doesn't back your argument mate because the point here is why it has that rating, we're telling why it does and your only response is but but the rating, it's like you're struggling to grasp what is being pointed out.



Platina on 20 February 2017

It has a better chance than the past few Zelda games, but I really don't think it will

Something completely new for the Zelda franchise, but not completely new as an idea so it would be compared to other open world games



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