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NateH said:
vkaraujo said:

Disclaimer: all of these consider themselves comedy shows, not news.

That said, now days, they have been better and more accurate news than we would like to acknowledge.

Wow, the exact same sanctimonious comedians and media-types who openly supported Hillary Clinton, and whose opinions were thoroughly rejected by the American public on November 8, are still trying to tell us Donald Trump is the Great Satan?

Shocking stuff, I know.

I think 2018 is going to be one of those rare midterms in which the incumbent President's party actually gains seats in Congress.  The silent midterm-voting majority is going to reject the unhinged hysterics.  The Washington Post did a good job explaining Democrats' disadvantage when it comes to states and congressional districts:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/11/why-democrats-cant-just-obstruct-their-way-back-into-power/

Nope, the silent majority doesn't vote because they know that both parties are pretty much the same and only care about the 1% and their corporate donors.  Also when they do vote they vote for independent or 3rd party canditates.



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thranx said:
Locknuts said:
Go trump! He's doing a great job so far. Hopefully these lefties get a reality check at some stage and see that he's actually good for America.

Yeah he looks funny, talks funny and hasn't got much (any?) class, but his policies are just what America needs and he's doing exactly what he was voted in to do.

Make America great Again! I love it. The media isn't believed because they lie, lie, lie. Comedians are comedians of course they will make jokes, who cares. Trump is doing exactly what I wanted when I voted for him, put America first, and not give a shit what the world or the media thinks. People have more faith in our economy now than under Obama because they know he will do whats needed, not what the media wants. That stock market just goes up and up, the people have so much confidence in the economy. Than to top it all off the left is showing exactly who they are, intolerant, whiny, closed minded, selfish people. Obama may have started the creation of a new generation of conservatives, but the media and the left are feeding it so much more.

The stock market was going way up under Obama, it wasn't going to just stop and reverse in a month. 

Besides, why should it? Trump is proposing massive tax breaks for mega-rich millionaires/billionaires and reductions in regulations so corporations will be able to do as they please. 

Why would the stock market go down? Keep hoping that wealth is going to "trickle down" to you though, lol, a rude awakening is probably coming. 



Locknuts said:
Scoobes said:

How? What are any of his policies actually going to achieve?

Stopping criminal illegal immigrants (those who can't be vetted before coming in via Mexico), incentivising corporations to keep jobs in the US, keeping businesses in the US, recognising the current biggest threat to western civilisation (Islamic terrorism) so that it can be eradicated, and bypassing the MSM so that he can speak straight to the people who elected him.

It should result in the people of the US regaining trust in the establishment and a safer, more prosperous America.

I see the man doing nothing but good, and he is being crucified for it. Yes he's a blowhard, but let him do what he was voted in to do and then hold him to account if and when he fucks it up. The MSM are getting outraged over everything he says, when as far as I can tell the only thing he has really fucked up was the handling of the travel ban. Not that I could have done it better, but surely it could have been done better. 

I asked for how, not what his policies are in general terms. The devil is in the details. Like the jobs, how is he going to incentivise corporations to keep jobs in the US when most manufacturing jobs are being lost to advances in technology and automation?

@ bolded

Pretty sure no leaders needed Trump to figure that one out, at least in terms of human enemies. 



WolfpackN64 said:
Slimebeast said:

I'm not gonna comment anymore if you spin things.

1. Vetting procuders are beside this point. It's a non issue to my argument. It's as if you deny the whole massive flood of criticism against Trump based on him being against immigration and being isolationist. By people who are "antiracist", "tolerant", "multicultural" etc etc etc. It's the single biggest thing that leftists are upset about with Trump, his agenda against immigration.

2. "Fox has huge coverage though". Fox is just one channel. Media as a whole is dominated by the left.

Don't lecture me on how the education system should be. I am saying that right now, the education systems are spewing leftist propaganda to young people all over the world. Of course at the same time, they are able to convey some understanding of critical thinking in general in many topics. It's not a contradiction. They still brainwash people on political and social issues.

"Leftist propaganda". Sorry, but I'm too tired to give a definition now. I have argued about this at length on this forum for years and written pages of texts about it.

3. Yes, the rise of China, despite its evil, as a counter-balance against "Merkel" (Merkel as a symbol of the current world order) is a good example of the new world order I am hoping for.

1. People aren't being necesarily angry at Trump for wanting to be strict with immigration, but his obvious poor handling of a delicate situation, stranding thousands of people in uncertainty and still planning on building a border wall with Mexico which I don't know if I should find it funny or outright scary any sane person could perceive such a preposterous plan as a good idea.

2. No it's not, most Anglo-Saxon media outlests are quite centrists.

Left wing groups in universities are generally better organized then right wing ones, we can't help that our cause seems to fire up people more. But saying that official education sources are spewing left-wing "propaganda" is nonsense.

I've seen your writings over the years. It's not because you build a giant house of a foundation of nothing but air that collapses as soon as you blink at it that you're a good filosopher.

3. Do you even understand geopolitics? Merkel is a chief point of power for the centrists in the EU, but her power doesn't really stretches much further and her term is nearly done anyway. "China, despite it's evil". What evil? Human right violations? Please, the US has a larger incarcerated population then China, and I don't mean it in a proportional, but in a total sense.

That you're even implying that USA as a society is more evil than China. Seriously, how much do you know about China?

And you accuse me of being out of tune with reality.



Slimebeast said:

That you're even implying that USA as a society is more evil than China. Seriously, how much do you know about China?

And you accuse me of being out of tune with reality.

If you think that my accusations amount to such a thing, then yes, I think you're out of touch.

I'm not saying China is a fine and dandy society, there's a lot wrong in China. My point was not to say China is better than the USA (that's not a comparison I even want to make), but rather to dismiss the notion you can meassure the "evilness" of a society. It can't be done. We can all make moral judgments, sometimes more clearly then others (the nazis are an obvious example), but a nation as a whole can not be evil.



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Scoobes said:
Locknuts said:

Stopping criminal illegal immigrants (those who can't be vetted before coming in via Mexico), incentivising corporations to keep jobs in the US, keeping businesses in the US, recognising the current biggest threat to western civilisation (Islamic terrorism) so that it can be eradicated, and bypassing the MSM so that he can speak straight to the people who elected him.

It should result in the people of the US regaining trust in the establishment and a safer, more prosperous America.

I see the man doing nothing but good, and he is being crucified for it. Yes he's a blowhard, but let him do what he was voted in to do and then hold him to account if and when he fucks it up. The MSM are getting outraged over everything he says, when as far as I can tell the only thing he has really fucked up was the handling of the travel ban. Not that I could have done it better, but surely it could have been done better. 

I asked for how, not what his policies are in general terms. The devil is in the details. Like the jobs, how is he going to incentivise corporations to keep jobs in the US when most manufacturing jobs are being lost to advances in technology and automation?

@ bolded

Pretty sure no leaders needed Trump to figure that one out, at least in terms of human enemies. 

Ah but Trump was the only one with the balls to publicly say it. And he's right: you can't fight an enemy if you don't acknowledge its existence.

As for the policy details: We don't have enough information yet. He has proposed tarrifs to keep jobs in the US for products being largely sold back to the US. I'm not sure how effective this will be. But his  proposed deregulation should allow businesses to operate at a profit while still employing people in the US. It's only due to rising costs of labour that labour saving devices are acquired. Look at Indonesia and other third world countries: labour is cheap and so buildings are built using almost no machinery. It's almost all manual labour. Only highrise buildings necessitate the use of cranes etc in major cities like Jakarta. I'm not saying the US should try to be more like Indonesia, I'm just giving an example.

Basically businesses don't automate just for fun. They only replace labour when it becomes too expensive and deregulation is a great way to lower the cost of labour.



WolfpackN64 said:
Slimebeast said:

That you're even implying that USA as a society is more evil than China. Seriously, how much do you know about China?

And you accuse me of being out of tune with reality.

If you think that my accusations amount to such a thing, then yes, I think you're out of touch.

I'm not saying China is a fine and dandy society, there's a lot wrong in China. My point was not to say China is better than the USA (that's not a comparison I even want to make), but rather to dismiss the notion you can meassure the "evilness" of a society. It can't be done. We can all make moral judgments, sometimes more clearly then others (the nazis are an obvious example), but a nation as a whole can not be evil.

You're twisting words for no good reason. Anyone who read that line understood what I meant.

I used "evil" as a metaphor for negative things, for a dysfunctional society and bad regime.



Slimebeast said:
WolfpackN64 said:

If you think that my accusations amount to such a thing, then yes, I think you're out of touch.

I'm not saying China is a fine and dandy society, there's a lot wrong in China. My point was not to say China is better than the USA (that's not a comparison I even want to make), but rather to dismiss the notion you can meassure the "evilness" of a society. It can't be done. We can all make moral judgments, sometimes more clearly then others (the nazis are an obvious example), but a nation as a whole can not be evil.

You're twisting words for no good reason. Anyone who read that line understood what I meant.

I used "evil" as a metaphor for negative things, for a dysfunctional society and bad regime.

And the United States is definitely a bad regime. Just because China has a bad one doesn't mean that the US doesn't.



Who watches this crap?



 

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Soundwave said:
thranx said:

Make America great Again! I love it. The media isn't believed because they lie, lie, lie. Comedians are comedians of course they will make jokes, who cares. Trump is doing exactly what I wanted when I voted for him, put America first, and not give a shit what the world or the media thinks. People have more faith in our economy now than under Obama because they know he will do whats needed, not what the media wants. That stock market just goes up and up, the people have so much confidence in the economy. Than to top it all off the left is showing exactly who they are, intolerant, whiny, closed minded, selfish people. Obama may have started the creation of a new generation of conservatives, but the media and the left are feeding it so much more.

The stock market was going way up under Obama, it wasn't going to just stop and reverse in a month. 

Besides, why should it? Trump is proposing massive tax breaks for mega-rich millionaires/billionaires and reductions in regulations so corporations will be able to do as they please. 

Why would the stock market go down? Keep hoping that wealth is going to "trickle down" to you though, lol, a rude awakening is probably coming. 

Why would I expect things to trickle down to me? I expect to work for what I get just like I always have, its just now there will be more oppurtunity out there.