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Soundwave said:

Which is my exact point ... how is it the "dumb Americans" are the cultural dominant and have overtaken Europe in virtually every field of relevance? 

Success and IQ is not linear, from what I've found in actuality the most successful people are kind of borderline retarded at a lot of things. They excel due to an obsession (an almost simplification as it were) of focusing on being successful at one thing. 

It's because the top 1% of america is the best and the brightest compared to the top 1% of europeans ...

Satisfactory answer, no ? 

IQ is still extremely important since a disproportionate amount of Ashkenazi Jews win nobel prizes (over 22% I think ?) relative to their population ... 

Talal said:

How shocking! poverty stricken, war torn countries are at the bottom. While highly industrialized 1st world countries came out on top.

Again this doesn't prove that it's race. There are African emmigrants in those top countries that are doing just as well as their Asian/European counterparts.

Even if you fix the environment that doesn't mean you gain parity ...



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Anyway, I don't want to argue about whether or not one race is superior to another. A certain race having a higher average IQ than another race does not make them superior to them. That line of thinking is very harmful.



fatslob-:O said:
Soundwave said:

Which is my exact point ... how is it the "dumb Americans" are the cultural dominant and have overtaken Europe in virtually every field of relevance? 

Success and IQ is not linear, from what I've found in actuality the most successful people are kind of borderline retarded at a lot of things. They excel due to an obsession (an almost simplification as it were) of focusing on being successful at one thing. 

It's because the top 1% of america is the best and the brightest compared to the top 1% of europeans ...

Satisfactory answer, no ? 

IQ is still extremely important since a disproportionate amount of Ashkenazi Jews win nobel prizes (over 22% I think ?) relative to their population ... 

Talal said:

How shocking! poverty stricken, war torn countries are at the bottom. While highly industrialized 1st world countries came out on top.

Again this doesn't prove that it's race. There are African emmigrants in those top countries that are doing just as well as their Asian/European counterparts.

Even if you fix the environment that doesn't mean you gain parity ...

Intelligence isn't the be all end all of success. 

America is probably more relevant to the world precisely because they are a bit dumber and more prone to militarism. 

Also Europe basically castrated itself due to nationalist wars capped off by World War II where they almost demolished each other. So basically America won by default. 

And the gap certainly does begin to close when you fix environmental factors. 



Talal said:
Anyway, I don't want to argue about whether or not one race is superior to another. A certain race having a higher average IQ than another race does not make them superior to them. That line of thinking is very harmful.

I honestly think that he doesn't care if it's harmful.



fatslob-:O said:

Talal said:

How shocking! poverty stricken, war torn countries are at the bottom. While highly industrialized 1st world countries came out on top.

Again this doesn't prove that it's race. There are African emmigrants in those top countries that are doing just as well as their Asian/European counterparts.

Even if you fix the environment that doesn't mean you gain parity ...

OK, then how do you explain Cuba's dramatic rise in literacy rate after Castro took power? The environment is the most important aspect of them all.



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fatslob-:O said:
Soundwave said:

Which is my exact point ... how is it the "dumb Americans" are the cultural dominant and have overtaken Europe in virtually every field of relevance? 

Success and IQ is not linear, from what I've found in actuality the most successful people are kind of borderline retarded at a lot of things. They excel due to an obsession (an almost simplification as it were) of focusing on being successful at one thing. 

It's because the top 1% of america is the best and the brightest compared to the top 1% of europeans ...

Satisfactory answer, no ? 

IQ is still extremely important since a disproportionate amount of Ashkenazi Jews win nobel prizes (over 22% I think ?) relative to their population ... 

Talal said:

How shocking! poverty stricken, war torn countries are at the bottom. While highly industrialized 1st world countries came out on top.

Again this doesn't prove that it's race. There are African emmigrants in those top countries that are doing just as well as their Asian/European counterparts.

Even if you fix the environment that doesn't mean you gain parity ...

The other part of this equation you won't like as much ... liberals tend to score higher on IQ tests than conservatives do, the smartest of which are the so-called "liberal elite".



VGPolyglot said:
Slimebeast said:
For the first time we got a huge politician with integrity to call out the lies and the hypocrisy of left wing brainwash media. More integrity than any leftist ruler showed in a long time.

Of course it's not gonna be easy to go against decades of leftist brainwash, and Trump is still inexperienced with press conferences as president.

We're in a cultural war between the free world and Marxism. And right now leftists all over the world are shaken and nervous after they lost some big battles and their lies are increasingly being exposed.

The desperation is showing in the display of increasing hate and intolerance.

There's no way you can possibly believe what you just said. If communists were really as powerful as you make us out to be, there'd already be no United States.

Communist used as a slur word for socialist.



Slimebeast said:
VGPolyglot said:

There's no way you can possibly believe what you just said. If communists were really as powerful as you make us out to be, there'd already be no United States.

Communist used as a slur word for socialist.

What does that have to do with what I said?



Wyrdness said:

Nope you're one or the other or both, culture is not shaped by race and never was it was shaped by simply surviving and crossing paths with other people, for example the UK is shaped by it's history of different civilizations and tribes from across Europe invading, each brought new changes and approaches to living in the same environment.

Jewish people came from Africa into Europe and the Middle East trying to escape various empires like the Egyptians and the Romans, Judaism itself ended up spawning Christianity and Islam which impacted many cultures in future, this is an example of culture not being shaped by race. Another example is Hinduism also spawned East Asian martial arts as a Hindu travelling monk arrived in East Asia to find people lazy and made them train in combat to rid them of their laziness, this ended creating things like Kung Fu which East Asia is famed for in their cultures as well as orders like the Shaolin Monks.

These weren't cultural things that happened due to race no these are examples of cultures being molded by surviving and people crossing paths.

FYI, culture is more than just religion ... 

It's a complex web that spans over to knowledge, arts, law or any other customs ... 



Soundwave said:
Talal said:

"We conclude with our own less elegant commentary regarding how these findings should be understood and the role of the environment in the shaping of human psychological traits. It is important to specify the populations to which any results can be generalized and not misinterpret what they mean. The samples were drawn almost exclusively from Western industrial democracies. These settings have characteristic environments. Only a few of the participants were raised in real poverty or by illiterate parents, and all study participants had access to the contemporary educational programs typical of those societies. This is the domain to which we can generalize. The results do not mean that environments are irrelevant or unimportant. The proximate causes of variance in IQ are the ‘cognitively stimulating experiences’ that the individual is provided with and seeks for him/herself. Early in life, those experiences are primarily imposed (or not imposed) on the individual and that shows up as shared environmental influence. As the individual becomes more of an independent agent, the effective experiences are to a large extent self-selected. As Martin et al. (1986) put it: ‘humans are exploring organisms whose innate abilities and predispositions help them select what is relevant and adaptive from the range of opportunities and stimuli presented in the environment. The effects of mobility and learning, therefore, augment rather than eradicate the effects of the genotype on behavior’ (p. 4368). This idea has been elaborated in some detail by Scarr (1996) who has argued that people make their own environments1 and Bouchard (19961997; Johnson, 2010a), who has elaborated the Experience Producing Drive Theory of Keith Hayes (1962)."

 

 

How does this prove anything? IQ does have a heriditary factor so? It also has to do with the Socioeconomic state, teaching and many other factors.

Even if it does have a heriditary factor, how many of us know a family where one sibling is very smart (at least in terms of school grades) and yet they have a sibling that is far from it? 

Happens all the time, and that's from about as geneticially "pure" of a sample as you can get (the same exact parents). Applying such broad generic generalizations to huge groups of people makes even less sense. 

lol you seriously question if intelligence is hereditary?