Forums - Sony Discussion - Apparently (?), SIE filed a patent for a Switch-like device with detachable controllers in 2015

d21lewis said:
BraLoD said:

And the triangle button!

SOLD! Can't wait to get my hands on a PlayStation Swap.

LOL "All I need this gen are Switch and Swap and I'm set!" 

But for real, I've been wondering how long it would take Sony to come out with a similar design. I mean, I would love to have the Switch's concept transferred over to the PS environment. You'd have every game you want, including all the AAA Western games, at home or on the go. Tell me that's not appealing. Well, except for the price point, which would be insane, I'm sure. 



It'll be awhile before I figure out how to do one of these. :P 

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Soundwave said:
Nuvendil said:

Yeah go ahead and release it for tablets, see how that goes.  But let me clue you in: it would be a waste of time and money.  A huge waste.

And clearly the Sony brand doesn't carry that much weight in Japan or the Vita wouldn't have gotten annihilated there.  And as for the rest of the world, it would go worse, far worse.

Waste of what? It would be virtually no resource cost for Sony, it's just a controller, they make tens of millions of controllers every year. It would be a minimal investment on their part. 

Tablets already sell (far in excess of the 3DS or even Nintendo DS), so there obviously are users out there, I think some people would prefer to pay only say $70 to get a Switch like experience instead of $350 for one with a game. 

I would hope they don't do it, but if I was running Sony I'd probably do it just to make life a little more difficult for Nintendo. The point doesn't even have to be for it to be a huge success, all it has to do is muddy the waters so the Switch is not so unique, once Move and Kinect were released, Wii sales declined rapidly, maybe that was coincidence or maybe it had something to do with the fact that the Wiimote was no longer really anything unique. You could get that same expereince in different ways. 

Well now you make it sound like a "just launch it and let it do its thing" situation.  If they did that no it wouldn't cost much but it would have even less of an impact.  They would need to do a lot of marketing to get any attention away from the Switch.  No marketing=no market impact, simple as that.

And his wouldn't provide a Switch like experience at all, it's just a set of controllers that you attach to your phone that will have to deal with all the niggles the numerous other such controllers do.  And this isn't the late 2000s anymore, the primary dividing line between mobile and handhelds have long, long ceased to be lack of physical inputs.  That's still a big component, but it's now more about the ecosystem and experiences found on mobile.  And a pair of controllers won't change that at all.  Nor will it change how horrendously unoptimized the mobile OSs are for gaming (or anything in general) or any of the other issues.  And it certainly doesn't improve the process of hooking your phone or tablet up to your TV.

My point is, this option you seem to think will impact anything has been around for YEARS.  If people gave a crap then someone would have found success with a product of this nature.  This wouldn't muddy anything because it wouldn't emulate what the Switch provides in any way.  

Oh and the fact more people buy a tablet - a multipurpose computer that happens to give access to a freemium infested, casualized market but for which gaming is and remains a secondary or even tertiary function - than buy handheld game systems - specialized gaming only devices that specifically caters to those interested in premium dedicated gaming experiences - is not shocking.  And those who buy a tablet OVER a handheld and thus have no interest in a dedicated premium gaming experience - you know, the experiences provided by ALL dedicated gaming devices by virtue of their design - are not part of the Switch's target audience.  And would incidentally not care to "hardcore up" their gaming with attachable controllers.  And those who are interested in dedicated premium gaming experiences as seen on the Switch, PS4, etc will not suddenly be swayed to leave that behind because of some attached buttons on their tablet.  That's not a "Switch like experience", it would be about as good a substitute as a kids tricycle for a Harley .

Oh and the Wii sales decline probably had more to do with Nintendo's releases slowing, their marketing scaling back to a huge degree, third party support falling off a cliff, the real world performance gap becoming more and more glaring between the Wii and PS360, the continued rise to priminence of western developers Nintendo didn't have on their side (Bethesda Game Studios being a prime example), motion controls falling out of favor due to shovelware and the fact of their contextual usefulness, there's MANY reasons the Wii began to decline, the Move and Kinect seem pretty low on the list.



Every handheld to ever take on Nintendo has lost. It's the very definition of insanity. Every company to take on Nintendo has tried the same thing expecting different results. Make it more powerful than Nintendo's hand held and let the money roll in guys!...or or not. Nintendo is like John Cena with handhelds. lol Nintendo wins. I would still buy this as I do like my Vita and PSP more than my DS and 3DS but still I would not trust Sony to keep support for it. Sony has a knack for quickly abandoning hardware that isn't their main home console.

you mean Psvita-like device? i'm not seeing how its switch-like other than being handheld

As I doubt it's a home console/handheld hybrid, I don't see how it's much like the Switch. Attaching controllers to tablet interfaces is an idea that has been around forever.

Even if it's a share library, that's also something Sony started experimenting with long ago.

Added to that, I'll also repeat something I've been saying for awhile: two specialized devices with a shared library would be better than a single hybrid unit.

Vertigo-X said:
potato_hamster said:
Guys, you're late to the punch.

This is a patent for a dock to use the PSP with Playstation Move controllers from 2011.

https://www.destructoid.com/playstation-move-dock-for-psp-go-why--201886.phtml
https://www.engadget.com/2011/05/23/patent-points-at-playstation-move-compatible-psp-go-dock/

If Sony did actually go through with this idea, they didn't steal it from Nintendo.

That just has the PSP Go with a dock and using Move with it. Definitely not the same thing as Switch and especially the patent (trademark?) in the OP.

So a handheld that you can dock to a base connected to your tv that allows you to use external motion controllers with it isn't a basic premise for how the Swtich functions? The only that's missing is the ability to use those external motion controllers without the base.

Also, it's also worth noting that the PSP Go allowed you to use a PS3 controller as an input without a dock.



SegataSanshiro said:
Every handheld to ever take on Nintendo has lost. It's the very definition of insanity. Every company to take on Nintendo has tried the same thing expecting different results. Make it more powerful than Nintendo's hand held and let the money roll in guys!...or or not. Nintendo is like John Cena with handhelds. lol Nintendo wins. I would still buy this as I do like my Vita and PSP more than my DS and 3DS but still I would not trust Sony to keep support for it. Sony has a knack for quickly abandoning hardware that isn't their main home console.

What silliness. Every home console to take on Nintendo lost until Sony came along with the Playstation. I guess Sony just shouldn't have bothered since no one could take on the juggernaught that was Nintendo, right?



zelmusario said:
d21lewis said:

SOLD! Can't wait to get my hands on a PlayStation Swap.

LOL "All I need this gen are Switch and Swap and I'm set!" 

But for real, I've been wondering how long it would take Sony to come out with a similar design. I mean, I would love to have the Switch's concept transferred over to the PS environment. You'd have every game you want, including all the AAA Western games, at home or on the go. Tell me that's not appealing. Well, except for the price point, which would be insane, I'm sure. 

If Nintendo Switch's price is what it is with the power it has, I can imagine Sony's take would be more expensive since I'm sure those ARM chips that can handle PS4-like power could be very pricey alone. Plus add in component to keep the console cool and functioning with that kind of power...it adds up.



zelmusario said:
d21lewis said:

SOLD! Can't wait to get my hands on a PlayStation Swap.

LOL "All I need this gen are Switch and Swap and I'm set!" 

But for real, I've been wondering how long it would take Sony to come out with a similar design. I mean, I would love to have the Switch's concept transferred over to the PS environment. You'd have every game you want, including all the AAA Western games, at home or on the go. Tell me that's not appealing. Well, except for the price point, which would be insane, I'm sure. 

I remember hearing all of that when Sony announced the Playstation Vita. Great on paper, but actually having the power/tools to facilitate AAA games being ported to the platform and more importantly run well? The Switch can't do it at $300. What makes you think Sony can do it at an afforable price point either?



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potato_hamster said:
SegataSanshiro said:
Every handheld to ever take on Nintendo has lost. It's the very definition of insanity. Every company to take on Nintendo has tried the same thing expecting different results. Make it more powerful than Nintendo's hand held and let the money roll in guys!...or or not. Nintendo is like John Cena with handhelds. lol Nintendo wins. I would still buy this as I do like my Vita and PSP more than my DS and 3DS but still I would not trust Sony to keep support for it. Sony has a knack for quickly abandoning hardware that isn't their main home console.

What silliness. Every home console to take on Nintendo lost until Sony came along with the Playstation. I guess Sony just shouldn't have bothered since no one could take on the juggernaught that was Nintendo, right?

Your comparison sucks. NES had the market cornered but SNES lost half the share with Genesis and others. Home console different beast. That was a period of what 6 years they owned the market when the console market was still in infancy? Nintendo has owned the handheld market since 1989. 28 years. Sony SEGA Atari some of the bigest names ever tried to take on Nintendo in the handheld market MULTIPLE times and EACH time failed to take it from them. Hell the largest cell phone manufacture for the time Nokia failed twice. PS1 beat SEGA and Nintendo day 1 when the console market was still young. Genesis cut into NES market DAY ONE.  Now handhelds are not as popular as they were even a decade ago. Sony has tried twice to take the market away from Nintendo and both times came up short. Yes PSP sold well but still left in the dust by DS.  No one has come close. No one can as long as they use the same failed approach of just more power. Gunpei Yokoi is a legend for a reason with his philosophy to hardware Nintendo has followed for 3 decades. It works. If you are going to try and beat Nintendo at the handheld market,find a better strategy because the one everyone else has used for 28 years isn't working.