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Forums - Politics Discussion - President Duterte decreased Crime Rate in the Philippines by 13%!

thranx said:
irstupid said:
Won't be long until you have liberals over there complaining about all the "non-violent" drug offenders in jail. They get released and crime once again goes up.

That's what happened here in America. We had our war on drugs, started by Bill Clinton, and it reduced crime huge from the 90's. Yet now we are thinking that all those people in prison for drug related offenses should be released and also lax on our drug enforcement and crime is once again going up.

War on Drugs started by bill Clinton? That was Regean



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VGPolyglot said:
thranx said:

War on Drugs started by bill Clinton? That was Regean

Yea just woke up. it was Nixon. I knew it wasnt clinton



Mummelmann said:
Lowering crime is easy if you just kill the criminals. This is not a feat to be lauded.

lol, wut? Yeah it is a feat to be lauded, he lowered crime rates. lol Sure he killed criminals, perhaps you want to give them housing and medals, but he's getting rid of the problem and making all non criminals safer because of it.



contestgamer said:
Mummelmann said:
Lowering crime is easy if you just kill the criminals. This is not a feat to be lauded.

lol, wut? Yeah it is a feat to be lauded, he lowered crime rates. lol Sure he killed criminals, perhaps you want to give them housing and medals, but he's getting rid of the problem and making all non criminals safer because of it.

Well, maybe if they had housing, they wouldn't need to resort to crime? Homeless people are very vulnerable and desperate, it's not surprising that they'd commit drastic things.



VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:

lol, wut? Yeah it is a feat to be lauded, he lowered crime rates. lol Sure he killed criminals, perhaps you want to give them housing and medals, but he's getting rid of the problem and making all non criminals safer because of it.

Well, maybe if they had housing, they wouldn't need to resort to crime? Homeless people are very vulnerable and desperate, it's not surprising that they'd commit drastic things.

Proper housing yes definitely, our problem is not homelessness per say but shanties that houses a lot of people and in some cases more than one family and compress that into a few square meters. :(



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contestgamer said:
Mummelmann said:
Lowering crime is easy if you just kill the criminals. This is not a feat to be lauded.

lol, wut? Yeah it is a feat to be lauded, he lowered crime rates. lol Sure he killed criminals, perhaps you want to give them housing and medals, but he's getting rid of the problem and making all non criminals safer because of it.

Give them housing and medals? You do realize that there's a fairly large chasm between handing out medals and free housing and outright killing them, right? Ask the Brazilian government how it works after a while if you just butcher criminals.

Put them through the justice system, if we say that it's alright to kill someone just because they've done something illegal, we're promoting a lawless society.

So, no, don't give them medals and housing. Let me ask you; if there's a family with kids who scream and cause chaos in the house, would you solve that by beating them bloody? Would that be a viable long term solution to the problem?

Duterte is a catastrophe. And, no, lowering crime by simply killing criminals is not a feat to be lauded, not any more than banning cars outrigth to get rid of drunk drivers would be. It's a cheap, cowardly and destructive option.



 

 

Its funny since Trump got elected, media does not talk about this guy much anymore.

 

 

However I have some friends from that country and they seem normal and they support him.

 

Seems like Trump, dont like the man but like his policies. 



Mummelmann said:
contestgamer said:

lol, wut? Yeah it is a feat to be lauded, he lowered crime rates. lol Sure he killed criminals, perhaps you want to give them housing and medals, but he's getting rid of the problem and making all non criminals safer because of it.

Give them housing and medals? You do realize that there's a fairly large chasm between handing out medals and free housing and outright killing them, right? Ask the Brazilian government how it works after a while if you just butcher criminals.

Put them through the justice system, if we say that it's alright to kill someone just because they've done something illegal, we're promoting a lawless society.

So, no, don't give them medals and housing. Let me ask you; if there's a family with kids who scream and cause chaos in the house, would you solve that by beating them bloody? Would that be a viable long term solution to the problem?

Duterte is a catastrophe. And, no, lowering crime by simply killing criminals is not a feat to be lauded, not any more than banning cars outrigth to get rid of drunk drivers would be. It's a cheap, cowardly and destructive option.

Our judiciary system is a failed one. It's bottle necked beyond belief. Processing of a case takes too damn long regardless of the nature of the case. As a government, our whole system is bogged down. Everything moves fucking slow because everything is done in just one place. That's one of the reasons he wants to distrubute the system around. He is actually pushing for Federalism. Hopefully this will work for us if it gets pushed through.

You might say that's just an excuse, but you wouldn't know till you experience the black hole our government system has. It's complicated. Whatever you might think of what he says, the government doesn't actually support unncessary killings. They know they gain very little from it. However, the scare tactic shows it works to a degree.

If you think there was nothing being done and just all plain senseless killing then you're reading too much mainstream news. There's already a rehab facility that's recently been turned over to the local government after recieving help and funding from a private business man. And once the new fiscal year starts, more budget will be reallocated for more Rehab centers.

So he's a catastrophe in some aspects, but he's not that catastrophic the way the mainstream media makes you believe.

 

LadyJasmine said:

Its funny since Trump got elected, media does not talk about this guy much anymore.

However I have some friends from that country and they seem normal and they support him.

Seems like Trump, dont like the man but like his policies. 

That's because there's no Hilary or Obama trying to White Knight and herald their USA Champion of Justice brand to trigger unnecessary fiasco. 



Puppyroach said:
MarkkyStorm said:

Keep thinking legalizing everything will stop narcotic traffic. Also, keep thinking that all drug dealers will suddenly become good persons just because drugs are legalized. It would just increase violent crimes, because they would go after the money in other, and probably more violent, ways.

About the use of the word "fascist" nowadays:

You might want to look up the word yourself. An autocratic leader that puts the need of the government above the individual and enact it's law through violence is exactly where fascism starts. Soon you will see him work towards eliminating opposition and trying with any means to stay in power as long as possible.

Oh, I'm sorry if I wasn't really clear, I wasn't targeting only on you classificating Duterte as a fascist, but the overuse of the term nowadays. I don't know anything about the government of Duterte, except that the crime rate is down with more police effort and, most recently, the war on drugs. I don't have enough information for agreeing with the use of the term "fascist" for him. If he, in fact, believes and practices the "government above the individual" than he is or fascist or socialist. About "enact it's law through violence" you will eventually find out that every single government enact it's law through violence in some point.