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Lawlight on 15 February 2017
JWeinCom said:
Lawlight said:

So, why did you use that example? The line followed your sentence about how the evidence is sparse. So, answe the question - is that an example of Disney being anti-Semitic? Or do you run away anytime someone points out where you're wrong?

Lol.  You got me.  I'm very scared of being wrong on the internet.  

I already asked you not to respond to me before, so obviously that's not the case.  But fine. Since arguing with people on the internet is so important to you...

Mickey being a hasidic Jew is indeed evidence.  Evidence according to the following usage; "Information presented in testimony or in documents that is used to persuade the fact finder (judge or jury) to decide the case for one side or the other."  (https://www.justice.gov/usao/justice-101/glossary) Mickey being a hasidic jew is indeed a document that is used by many to persuade the fact finders (in this case the general public since we're talking about the court of public opinion) to decide that Walt is anti-semitic.  I mentioned it to show the arguments used to support and to deny Walt being anti-semitic.  Because you show both sides when you are presenting a case for your opinion.  Obviously, since my conclusion was "The evidence suggests that Disney was not anti-semitic", I did not find this piece of evidence to be particularly convincing.

Of course, the word evidence has multiple usages.  If I was using the word evidence as a synonym for "proof" then I actually would have been implying that Mickey being a Hasidic Jew is a clear demonstration of anti-semitism.  However, since I spent four paragraphs explaining that I do not believe Walt Disney to be anti-semitic, that's obviously not the usage I was using. Context is important.  If you were actually interested in having an exchange of ideas, that should have been abundantly clear to you.  But you didn't want to do that.  You just wanted to prove me wrong, for whatever reason you find that gratifying.  So you interpreted it in a way to make me wrong.

Which is the reason I have asked you, twice now, to simply not respond to my posts.  Because you are not interested in an actual conversation.  You just want to prove people wrong, and interpret things to fit that agenda.  If you find that fun, more power to you.  There's plenty of people who are willing to engage with you.  I don't find it to be a worthwhile use of my time.  So, can you please simply not respond to me?  

Your definition of evidence is incorrect:

"the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid."

It is also synonymous with "proof".

You presented no fact or proof so you cannot claim that it is evidence of anything.



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Lawlight on 15 February 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Lawlight said:

So, what's the average for whites? Stats for those involved in politics and stats for those who are not? Then we'll be able to do a proper comparison.

Why is it so hard for you to accept that whites aren't treated as poorly as you think? If you go read the link I gave someone else it compares the incarceration rate between whites and blacks, with blacks getting hit much harder. Yes there are whites that are treated poorly, yet I also assume that you're not a socialist, so I have no idea what your proposed solution would be.

I'm not saying whites are treated poorly. I am just saying that neither are minorities. I did not see anything about incarceration rates.



VGPolyglot on 15 February 2017
Lawlight said:
VGPolyglot said:

Why is it so hard for you to accept that whites aren't treated as poorly as you think? If you go read the link I gave someone else it compares the incarceration rate between whites and blacks, with blacks getting hit much harder. Yes there are whites that are treated poorly, yet I also assume that you're not a socialist, so I have no idea what your proposed solution would be.

I'm not saying whites are treated poorly. I am just saying that neither are minorities. I did not see anything about incarceration rates.

http://www.ibtimes.com/white-men-vs-black-men-prison-statistics-2016-why-are-more-african-american-males-2426793



Lawlight on 15 February 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Lawlight said:

I'm not saying whites are treated poorly. I am just saying that neither are minorities. I did not see anything about incarceration rates.

http://www.ibtimes.com/white-men-vs-black-men-prison-statistics-2016-why-are-more-african-american-males-2426793

I need the link to recent studies because this article makes no mention of repeat offenses.



VGPolyglot on 15 February 2017
Lawlight said:
VGPolyglot said:

http://www.ibtimes.com/white-men-vs-black-men-prison-statistics-2016-why-are-more-african-american-males-2426793

I need the link to recent studies because this article makes no mention of repeat offenses.

Why does it matter if it's repeated offenses? It still shows that blacks are assessed at a higher rate than whites.



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JWeinCom on 15 February 2017
Lawlight said:

Your definition of evidence is incorrect:

"the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid."

It is also synonymous with "proof".

You presented no fact or proof so you cannot claim that it is evidence of anything.

Lol.  Apparently you did not know that words can have more than one meaning. XD You learn something new everyday don't you?

Please learn about the basic way that language functions before replying.  Also, when you gain the ability to read more than one sentence in a sitting.



TheAkutsu on 15 February 2017

I really wish he'd use his influence better, hell, even to make a valuable competitor to youtube, with his fans following him on the new platform, and via talks more people coming to it...yeah, if he'd really want to make Youtube/Google panic, I'd love it.

However he doesn't, when he's earnt enough to live for the rest of life already, you'd think all his fake hate videos about youtube would drive to the idea of actually hurting youtube by going on another video hosting website, hell, making his own one, and inviting people to use it too.




ArnoldRimmer on 15 February 2017
VGPolyglot said:
KLXVER said:
That's just the PC world we live in atm. People cant take a joke anymore.

How is "Death to all Jews" even considered a joke. What about that is funny? And why does it bother you that people are not okay with it? It's not like he's going to jail or anything, so it seems that you think that people shouldn't criticize him for saying that.

As I understand from reading other articles, what PewDiePie actually did was using a platform called "Fiverr" to see just how embarrassing/disgusting things people are willing to do for a few pieces of silver nowadays. Among these things was holding up signs that read "Death to all jews" and "Hitler did nothing wrong" in public.

Now one can clearly disagree on whether this is funny or not - but how is this very different from what Sasha Baron Cohen has been doing in his roles as "Brüno" or "Borat"? In these movies (usually considered to be very funny), Cohen is often actively "fishing for anti-semitism", trying to make his dialog partners say disgusting things like demanding a "train to Auschwitz".

I don't see how this is very different. Because Cohen is a jew himself? I don't think so.



Lawlight on 15 February 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Lawlight said:

I need the link to recent studies because this article makes no mention of repeat offenses.

Why does it matter if it's repeated offenses? It still shows that blacks are assessed at a higher rate than whites.

Repeat offices will get you a harsher sentence. And that article by Marc Mauer also says that blacks commit proportionately more crimes. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but it's not systematic.



Razeak on 15 February 2017

Higher incarceration rates of one group over another is not clear cut direct evidence of of systemic racism. That is the correlation = causation fallacy. It does matter if it is a repeat offense. The person committing the repeat offense is...repeating the offense. That is their fault.

To say we shouldn't ask the question would be intellectually dishonest, but there is a possibility there isn't nefarious scheming going on behind the scenes to incarcerate black men at higher rates.

I ponder from time to time that if government is allegedly responsible for so much evil against different groups then why is the answer by so many to institute more government?

Why is Trump's immigration ban racist and Obama's aren't? The biggest difference between the two bans was that Trump banned all citizens from the seven countries (their threat and labeling was given or existed through the Obama administration) and Obama banned people that had visited those same seven countries. So if visiting a country on the list is a potential red flag, then we have to admit that there is an element in the country that is perceived as organizing violence against the U.S. and that they can influence others to do the same. It would be reasonable to be cautious about those that live there and are exposed directly to that influence at a much higher rate than the two Iraqi refugees from Bowling Green, KY. I also agreed with Obama's immigration bans.

He may be an insensitive, mouthy person, but he isn't banning people because they are Arab. He is banning people from regions that have the highest rates of terrorist activity while they re-evaluate intelligence and vetting procedures for 90 days. BIG difference.

The Mexican rapist comment is a huge, intellectually dishonest spin just like the "Trump makes fun of disabled guy" BS. He was alluding to the fact that some of the illegal immigrants are committing crimes such as rape, murder etc. once they arrive in the U.S. That point is fact. He didn't say that they are wholly responsible for crime in America. He He also acknowledged good people are coming across the border and he is right on both counts.