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As much as I dislike what they are doing with the switch that is not more than a toy to hunt pockemon, I think he's got a point. And I recognize in his message the same reason for which I was following Nintendo, they promote a culture of couch co-op and multiplayer fun. That cannot be found in ps-Xbox world.

A pitty the last player from the past is no more, and quit the home consoles market. They are not doing like sega did, but they are doing anyway. I'll probably miss them as I miss sega. That's life.

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He's not the only one.

I feel like he is getting old. Old people dislike change.

VR is not a replacement for a TV or social activities. But sometimes you just dont want to hear or see anyone and get your 1-2 hours fun totally seperated from the world. VR can do this like no other medium can do and I think its great.

VR is not there to replace traditional gaming or TV. Its there to complement them and make new things possible that were impossible before.



Netyaroze said:
I feel like he is getting old. Old people dislike change.

VR is not a replacement for a TV or social activities. But sometimes you just dont want to hear or see anyone and get your 1-2 hours fun totally seperated from the world. VR can do this like no other medium can do and I think its great.

VR is not there to replace traditional gaming or TV. Its there to complement them and make new things possible that were impossible before.

Heck, they are releasing Breath of the Wild. A massive single player game. How is that game not an experience that isolates you from the rest of the world? Because you don't wear a headset with a screen when you play it? There's not a lot of gamers who play this kind of single player games in a social environment.



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Netyaroze said:
I feel like he is getting old. Old people dislike change.

VR is not a replacement for a TV or social activities. But sometimes you just dont want to hear or see anyone and get your 1-2 hours fun totally seperated from the world. VR can do this like no other medium can do and I think its great.

VR is not there to replace traditional gaming or TV. Its there to complement them and make new things possible that were impossible before.

He's in his 60s ... he is old. 



j.thomaz said:
As much as I dislike what they are doing with the switch that is not more than a toy to hunt pockemon, I think he's got a point. And I recognize in his message the same reason for which I was following Nintendo, they promote a culture of couch co-op and multiplayer fun. That cannot be found in ps-Xbox world.

A pitty the last player from the past is no more, and quit the home consoles market. They are not doing like sega did, but they are doing anyway. I'll probably miss them as I miss sega. That's life.

Really? My kids and I enjoy Minecraft, Terraria, PvZ GW2, Lego dimensions and any other lego game, Trackmania Turbo, Skylanders, Rocket League, Super stardust Ultra, Just Dance, Nom Nom Galaxy, Knack, LBP3, Resogun, Dynasty Warriors 8, and I'm sure there are more. The ps4 is used more by them playing together than the WiiU.

Meanwhile the WiiU hosts the only single player lego game and now it seems super mario oddyssey will be single player only as well!



Soundwave said:
Netyaroze said:
I feel like he is getting old. Old people dislike change.

VR is not a replacement for a TV or social activities. But sometimes you just dont want to hear or see anyone and get your 1-2 hours fun totally seperated from the world. VR can do this like no other medium can do and I think its great.

VR is not there to replace traditional gaming or TV. Its there to complement them and make new things possible that were impossible before.

He's in his 60s ... he is old. 

Yeah I know but I mean old in his mind. 



Netyaroze said:
Soundwave said:

He's in his 60s ... he is old. 

Yeah I know but I mean old in his mind. 

Most around his age or older would be old in the mind. That's usually how aging goes. They're used to what they learned back in their younger years. But it's not like Miyamoto is old and not adjusting. Sure it's slow, but he's empowered devs under his wing to make games like Splatoon, ARMS, etc. He encouraged a first person perspective for Metroid Prime, online multiplayer for Luigi's Mansion 2, etc. Games like Nintendogs and Galaxy were under his supervision. And he's relatively young at heart as well as you see in interviews and guest appearances on YouTube.

And look, being old in age and mind shouldn't be condemned. I'm sure I'll be like that when I'm around that age. Of course, I'll continue to learn as I grow older, like any individual who cares to survive that long. That's part of life. We live, grow old, and adjust and adapt when we can.



So do I.

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Kai_Mao said:
Mummelmann said:

Don't forget user generated content...

OT: Well, VR is too soon, and sales figures reflect that notion as well, but it will probably become huge. I find it a little funny that a man that has been allergic to online initiatives and has had such a hard-on for a gimmick that has more or less died three times in games and cinema (3D) says all this though. He's still grossly out of touch.

i still need a source on the bolded. Sure you could point out Star Fox Zero but he did think online could work for Luigi's Mansion 2. 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-12-miyamoto-says-nintendo-didnt-focus-on-online-because-it-would-have-limited-the-size-of-the-audience-that-could-enjoy-those-features

According to him, prior to 2013, online play was bunk because it "would have limited the size of the audience that could enjoy those features", which is clearly hogwash. He never understood the importance of online and it had already been huge for a good 5-6 years at that point.

https://www.destructoid.com/miyamoto-on-why-super-mario-3d-world-doesn-t-have-online-264340.phtml

In late 2013, he claims that online Mario could be something to consider "in ten years time", those are the words of someone without a clue, doubly so seeing Nintendo recent mobile efforts. They're still clinging to the notion that local multiplayer is the shizzle though, the Switch has inherited this philosophy, and I think that it's a not-so great idea, all in all.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/no-online-support-planned-for-star-fox-zero-miyamo/1100-6428286/

No online for Starfox in 2015, focusing instead on single player.

https://gamerant.com/miyamoto-interview-personal-poole-24104/

"To be honest, I think it’s rather unfair whenever I hear such comments — that Nintendo isn’t proactive when it comes to its online strategy. The fact of the matter is that we always want all Wii consoles to be connected online, all the time, so Nintendo has never been less than proactive in that kind of endeavor"

That was during the Wii days, they made practically zero effort on online, besides some VC titles and they were lagging years behind the competition.

http://gametyrant.com/news/watch-a-cool-video-about-shigeru-miyamotos-philosophy-to-gaming

It seems that he still consider online gaming a "trend", his hat has gotten tight over the years, it seems, and he still hasn't learned his lesson.

http://www.mtv.com/news/2463270/nintendos-miyamoto-not-our-goal-to-become-the-number-one-online-gaming-company/

"For example, there are opportunities to take advantage of online to expand a local, same-room multiplayer experience by connecting that to the internet and making new types of play that way. Also by having the smaller screen, being able to go online and perhaps see what game your friend is playing or see what TV they're watching, I think there's a lot of possibilities for how you could use that. Certainly internet functionality is something that will be important for the system"

Using online component to improve local multiplayer and same room gaming experiences... Going online to see what your friend is playing or what they'r watching on TV, and this was in 2011, way after online had exploded completely globally. The above is a person talking nonsense, in case that's hard to identify.

http://money.cnn.com/2002/03/06/technology/column_gaming/

In online gaming's infancy, while Sony, MS and the majority of the PC community already claimed that it was the future of gaming, Miyamoto simply frowned upon online gaming, likening it to "using violence in video games". Such foresight.

 

Look; it's well known that Miyamoto has been holding Nintendo back in certain areas and that he's a die-hard traditionalist who is not overly fond of change. His stance on online gaming and user generated content is very well known in the industry, and rather well documented at that. This is no secret and has been a huge topic for discussion online for at least a decade, his constant insistence on 3D is much along the same line of reasoning and anyone who has spent any time in here or elsewhere online discussing games would know as much.



End of 2016 hardware sales:

Wii U: 15 million. PS4: 54 million. One: 30 million. 3DS: 64.8 million. PSVita: 15.2 million.