Please tell me that it at least has a cirlcle button.

This thread has taken a dark turn. 😢

Ah! That makes more sense

Yet again banging the Wii U drum. Wii U had several problems, one of them being the name itself, and the physical likeness of the console to Wii, and the marketing direction, meaning that average Joe couldn't figure out that Wii U is full-blown successor to the Wii.

Also, remember that Wii was sold without any DVD video playing functionality, let alone Blu-ray or HDDVD format support. In 2006. Would you find that acceptable from a game console at that time? Yet, it sold like crazy. I wouldn't go that far in saying that some people weren't bothered by the fact, especially the casuals. But it obviously dodn't bother them enough.

I personally find DLC/season passes/microtransactions unacceptable (DLC acceptable only if it adds more significant gameplay content, especially , especially if the game is sold for full retaill price. I thought I was one of many in the gaming community that shared that opinion, especiall seeing that it's becoming more of a rule than exception. Yet, Activision Blizzard made $3.6 billion on DLC/season passes/microtransactions in 2016. So, I guess it's acceptable to the majority of players regardless of what i think.

I also find gacha model in mobile games unacceptable. It's clear to me that it's based on a similar principles as gambling, so I at least find it morally questionable. I thought majority of population figured it already and was tired of the manipulative model. Yet, when Nintendo released Super Mario Run, not using the gacha model, it got burried by the app store reviews, many of the people criticising it for not having the gacha model. And when Nintenod released it's first gacha game, Fire Emblem Heroes. And behold, glowing reviews on both App store and Play store.

And of course, I find it unacceptable that in 2017 game console is based on the almost exactly same principle from PS2 era (main and only packed game input is a controller with two analog sticks, d pad, 4 buttons, sholulder buttons), and is basically (often weaker and less flexible) equivalent to a PC hooked to a TV set. Yet both PS4 and Xbone sales are good.

All in all, it's irrelevant what me or you find acceptable/unacceptable. To Nintendo, and gaming industry, the only benchmark will be sales (and software sales + profit in case of Nintendo).

Didn't know this... Preorder cancelled

Who am I to argue with someone living in a world where the Dualshock 4 was never made and the Vita doesn't exist?

I said the PS4 can't play games on the go.

It can't. To play PS4 games on the go you need to buy an expensive additional device (Vita) and have constant access to the internet (which you won't have in most places of the world). In other words you need a PS4 + Vita + internet to play PS4 games. And even then it doesn't work that well as PS4 games aren't designed with the PS Vita controls in mind. Not to mention how unreliable streaming is. 

And please point me to all those PS4 games that make use of this HD rumble you speak of. 

And I'm probably living in the same world as Sony, they also like to pretend the Vita doesn't exist. ;) 

I can play PS4 games on the go.  I can do it with my laptop.  I don't need a Vita

The Playroom uses the HD rumble.

Vita exists and has more games than the 3DS ;o

Lol The Playroom uses rumble, not HD rumble. The technology in the DS4 isn't nearly as advanced as the one in the joycons. If we'd compare it with resolution the DS4 would be 540p and the joycons 720p or more. ;) And lol if a tech demo is all you can come up with than your argument isn't very strong. 

Keep digging though. The PS4 still can't play games on the go. ;) Your laptop can. 

3DS has better games than the Vita, hence why many more people bought it. Not that it actually has anything to do with this discussion. 

Although some criticisms are valid, I do feel lately some complains on the Switch have been overblown lately as well.