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potato_hamster said:
Kerotan said:

Good.  It's well documented that active posters who become mods are less active as posters thereafter.  There's exceptions to the rule like CGI but I don't we can risk Rol losing interest.  

 

Keep that mod position dangled just above him out of reach and he'll keep coming back for more.  

#SaveRolFromModCurse

Don't worry. Donald Trump has a better chance at being mod than Rol will ever have.

He's already the ultimate mod, dude.



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RolStoppable said:

 

Horizon: Zero Dawn also lacks a character editor, like it can be found in Skyrim, or at least the option to play as the gender you want. Players aren't provided with a choice. Speaking only for myself here, I don't like female characters.

 

The Witcher? Far Cry? Assassin's Creed?



ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Sadly some people will be banned in this thread.


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RolStoppable said:

Making such requests nicely simply doesn't work. People need to be trolled because that makes the message notably stronger. And if you got played like a fiddle with both of these threads, don't think of yourself as a victim. Your behavior is the one of an aggressor, barging into threads to bash things that don't fall in line with your personal preference, and trying to make everyone who likes other things feel miserable.

Of course I don't believe that people will stop, but I don't want them to stop anyway. As long as these people do their thing, I will be able to do mine with ease.

It was so obvious. But people are much more eager to go on the defensive than actually take a few moment to think about what they're going to say and reflect in the way you propose here. 

But even if you like something, if you criticize it one bit, you still take the risk of getting jumped at for not being all praise and sunshine and rainbows. 

Give credit where credit is due, as I always say. But some people can't stand the fact that the market offers something different for different tastes and needs. Right now, the rampant trolling, bashing and downplaying of everything Switch and Nintendo is at an all time high, and it's quite annoying to see that it's always the same ones putting every negative spin possible on everything Nintendo. It gets old quite fast, and arguing with such people in an exercise in futility. They act and reason with the highest level of bad faith one can muster. So it's a waste of time and energy to engage them and expecting any result.

Current case in point:  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=225735&page=1#



Does anyone have a link to the thread which he is reacting to?



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RolStoppable said:
Sprash said:

You remember that? (that was so long ago)

I must have left a big impact on you^^

Troublemakers always leave an impact on me. You also used to cowardly launch attacks on me while avoiding to quote me.

...

Moving on to the explanation for this thread which a lot of people are in need of, in many cases despite them being aware of the thread I made one day earlier about 1-2-Switch. Here's the first paragraph of that thread:

1-2-Switch is a minigame compilation that retails for $50. If you think that all games should be the same and therefore must be judged the same, that price will definitely stick out as expensive. But that isn't the proper way to evaluate the value of video games, right? If you are open to the idea of variety in video games, you will find the Switch itself to be an amazing piece of hardware. Now how about we apply the same thought process to 1-2-Switch?

Since I know how the VGC community thinks and which kinds of gamers post here, it was easy to predict the answers. A lot of people have an elitist view where anything that doesn't match their personal preferences is bad by default. This is addressed in the above quote that calls out the closeminded perspective of judging all games and even consoles in the same way. In the case of 1-2-Switch, people didn't even know the scope of its content, game modes and options, but none of that would have made a difference anyway, because playing video games with other people is something that most here don't do at all. The VGC community is a highly concentrated sample of people who are into singleplayer games and/or online multiplayer. If someone rushed into the 1-2-Switch thread to make a post along the lines of...

"Of course it's too expensive. How can that even be a question?"

...then that's not something that hurts me. All these people actually did exactly what I wanted and expected them to do.

Since the 1-2-Switch thread was more successful than anticipated, I launched this thread as a sequel. But for this instance I turned the tables and therefore used a game that would create opposite reactions. I've already said in this thread that The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild could have been used all the same, but Horizon: Zero Dawn was the better pick because it was guaranteed to have a bigger effect. The original post of this thread points out a few things that Horizon: Zero Dawn doesn't have, but in this instance people are quick to point out that not all games must be the same to defend something they like. Once again, people behaved the way they were expected to do.

So what's to learn from this?

Try to be more openminded for both games and consoles. Try to be more tolerant. Try to appreciate variety instead of condemning it.

Making such requests nicely simply doesn't work. People need to be trolled because that makes the message notably stronger. And if you got played like a fiddle with both of these threads, don't think of yourself as a victim. Your behavior is the one of an aggressor, barging into threads to bash things that don't fall in line with your personal preference, and trying to make everyone who likes other things feel miserable.

Of course I don't believe that people will stop, but I don't want them to stop anyway. As long as these people do their thing, I will be able to do mine with ease.

Wow, you really think you're operating at another level, don't you?

Back in reality, 1-2 Swich will launch, not sell well, and everyone here will be right in saying that 1-2 Switch isn't worth $50. Then what? What mental gymnastics are you going to perform to justify your point of view then?



Sooooooo Breath of the wild shouldn't be sold 60 bucks I guess?



I think making games today means a big amount of work, so think it is really o.k. With every new generation the prices of games gone up, nothing new



RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

Wow, you really think you're operating at another level, don't you?

Back in reality, 1-2 Swich will launch, not sell well, and everyone here will be right in saying that 1-2 Switch isn't worth $50. Then what? What mental gymnastics are you going to perform to justify your point of view then?

You think that my point of view is limited to 1-2-Switch?

No of course not. But still your point of view is one of arrogance, where you continue to think that your opinion is objectively right, and acting like you're manipulating people with your obvious troll post, and then blessing people with wisdom after they reacted to your nonsense as you predicted, all the while shaming them for having a differing opinion to your own.

No one thinks that all games should be the same. No one thinks that all games should have the same feature set. This is a straw man you created in your head. Your initial troll that Horizon isn't worth $60 because it doesn't features that other $60 games have is ridiculous. That game is worth $60 only to the people willing to pay $60 for it. If that game comes out and only sells 100K copies in its first week, then clearly the market feels that game wasn't worth $60. It doesn't mean that the people that were willing to spend $60 on it were wrong, and it doesn't mean that those who weren't willing to spend $60 on it because it didn't have multiplayer, or because the character wasn't customizable were wrong either.

Like anything, games are only worth what people are willing to pay for them, and people saying that they're not willing to pay $50 for 1-2 Switch or $60 for any other game doesn't mean they're not being open-minded or unreasonable by deciding that those games aren't worth the MSRP to them. It's not elitist for having an opinion on what they're willing to spend their money on and what value games have to them, but it is elitist to think they're wrong for not having the same opinion as yourself.

If anything, maybe the lesson to learn from this is that you need to do a better job respecting the opinions of other people.



If its nothing like Overwatch......... Then that price seems to be on point!



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