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RolStoppable said:
ps4tw said:

Means very little. There are plenty of die-hard Nintendo fans who'd by a frozen turd if it had the Nintendo logo on it. What matters is whether the Switch can draw in new customers to the Nintendo userbase. Due to it's high price, lack of appealing Western games, and absolute lack of power, my answer is "lol no chance".

About a year ago you committed a major blunder when you thought preorders for Vive meant a lot. The VR headset is now dead in the water.

I'd say you should be more cautious with your conclusions.

http://www.roadtovr.com/htc-vive-sold-at-profit-sales-figures-data-units-more-than-140000/

The Vive is selling exactly how HTC expected it to sell, and they're making a profit on it. 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paullamkin/2016/10/21/htc-vive-vr-headset-sales-revealed/#608f5a867d9a

Ignoring the false 140k number, the main takeaway from the above article is that analysts know VR is a new and growing market. To expect huge sales from day one would be ridiculous. Also there are rumours a second is already being developed:

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/184794/20161104/new-htc-vive-headset-under-development-is-this-the-htc-vive-2-code-named-oasis.htm

So just where are you getting the idea from that Vive is "dead in the water"??



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ps4tw said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

Switch is seeing a lot of mixed criticizm lately. Some of it is justified in my opinion while other bits are minor quibbles. However, I just watched this video and at 9:16... wow. That is Wii level right there. Is the hype more real than I expected?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAxG48Fvnp4

Means very little. There are plenty of die-hard Nintendo fans who'd by a frozen turd if it had the Nintendo logo on it.

I'm assuming this is hyperbole.

ps4tw said:

What matters is whether the Switch can draw in new customers to the Nintendo userbase.

My cousin's getting one: he has neither a WiiU or 3DS. Very much anecdotal but if you wanted a new customer in the Nintendo userbase, there's one.

ps4tw said:

Due to it's high price

Something that can go down as time goes by. I'm expecting price drops and/or bundles come the holidays.

ps4tw said:

lack of appealing Western games

As if Japanese-made games have never had appeal in the West.

ps4tw said:

and absolute lack of power, my answer is "lol no chance".

Lack of power didn't stop PS1, PS2, Wii, DS and 3DS from doing as well as they did despite their more powerful competitors. Nintendo's handhelds have always been weaker than their console contemporaries, naturally, and yet they did very well.



RolStoppable said:
ps4tw said:

http://www.roadtovr.com/htc-vive-sold-at-profit-sales-figures-data-units-more-than-140000/

The Vive is selling exactly how HTC expected it to sell, and they're making a profit on it. 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paullamkin/2016/10/21/htc-vive-vr-headset-sales-revealed/#608f5a867d9a

Ignoring the false 140k number, the main takeaway from the above article is that analysts know VR is a new and growing market. To expect huge sales from day one would be ridiculous. Also there are rumours a second is already being developed:

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/184794/20161104/new-htc-vive-headset-under-development-is-this-the-htc-vive-2-code-named-oasis.htm

So just where are you getting the idea from that Vive is "dead in the water"??

140k units is next to nothing and a "much more than that" comment isn't something that I buy into when a company refuses to disclose numbers. Analysts can predict 24m sold AR and VR devices in 2018 all they want, but that's not going to happen after the sluggish sales in 2016. Actual VR headsets won't contribute much to that projected number. Certainly not Vive.

Ah. This is going to be one of those conversations.

"140K is nothing" And you have come to that arbitrary conclusion how? Because it doesn't sound like a big number to you? Sorry, but that's not exactly a well thought-out conclusion, is it? I'd prefer to go with industry experts over this instead of some guy whose thought process boils down to "it don't sound big":

https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/19/new-numbers-home-in-on-vive-sales/

"VR, at least as evidenced by VC investment, is on a rocket ship to the virtual moon and 140,000 is a number to crow, not hide."



KLAMarine said:
ps4tw said:

Means very little. There are plenty of die-hard Nintendo fans who'd by a frozen turd if it had the Nintendo logo on it.

I'm assuming this is hyperbole.

ps4tw said:

What matters is whether the Switch can draw in new customers to the Nintendo userbase.

My cousin's getting one: he has neither a WiiU or 3DS. Very much anecdotal but if you wanted a new customer in the Nintendo userbase, there's one.

ps4tw said:

Due to it's high price

Something that can go down as time goes by. I'm expecting price drops and/or bundles come the holidays.

ps4tw said:

lack of appealing Western games

As if Japanese-made games have never had appeal in the West.

ps4tw said:

and absolute lack of power, my answer is "lol no chance".

Lack of power didn't stop PS1, PS2, Wii, DS and 3DS from doing as well as they did despite their more powerful competitors. Nintendo's handhelds have always been weaker than their console contemporaries, naturally, and yet they did very well.

1) Of course it's a hyperbole
2) Most certainly anecdotal. I know people with 3DS who are wholly uninterested in the Switch
3) And so can the competitors, meaning the Switch will constantly be playing catch-up
4) Missing the point. The Wii U relied almost entirely on Japanese games and was a staggering failure. Unless Nintendo focus on getting the top selling Western games on its console or at least create an IP or two that are appealing to the Western gamer, the Switch will sell horribly.
5) Those consoles weren't almost a generation behind their competition. The Switch most likely will be. The Wii U was just as underpowered, and look how well that did.



Of course is real



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RolStoppable said:
ps4tw said:

Ah. This is going to be one of those conversations.

"140K is nothing" And you have come to that arbitrary conclusion how? Because it doesn't sound like a big number to you? Sorry, but that's not exactly a well thought-out conclusion, is it? I'd prefer to go with industry experts over this instead of some guy whose thought process boils down to "it don't sound big":

https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/19/new-numbers-home-in-on-vive-sales/

VR, at least as evidenced by VC investment, is on a rocket ship to the virtual moon and 140,000 is a number to crow, not hide.

If 140k is a number to crow, not hide... then why does HTC not reveal the actual number which is "much more than that"?

Because of this thing called "competition" and another thing called "business analytics". 



No, it's unreal.

Sorry, I just had to. >_>



RolStoppable said:
ps4tw said:

Because of this thing called "competition" and another thing called "business analytics". 

What are you trying to say?

If you are doing well, you want it to be known. If you aren't doing well, you want to make business analysis harder and distort reality to make yourself look better. That's why Sony keeps shouting about their PS4 sales numbers while Microsoft has resorted to different numbers for their XB1.

So if HTC doesn't want to disclose their Vive numbers, what would that mean?

What I'm saying is, why do so many people on this forum make large, sweeping statements based on a hilariously rudimentary understanding of finance and businesses as a whole?

If you can't grasp what my point is from what I said, I'm not going to bother to explain to you why you don't release your figures on new products when you have a small number of competitors, other than to say "google it".



Looks great! I'm going to pick up a bundle near Black Friday I'm pretty sure :)



There's hype, but I don't think it's in the same level as the Wii. Although I think the Switch have more legs. A lot of people complaining about it right now could probably buy one when the price decrease and it have some more cool games.

Actually, the hybrid thing is a smarter move than the gaming community is perceiving and it's the first Nintendo home console in years that can have a good direct true successor (I can see the SNES as a direct successor of NES, like PS1 and PS2 and so on, but N64 and Game Cube were their own thing and Wii U was not a good successor for the Wii although it's a direct one). Switch can be a strong brand, like the DS, and if everything go smooth as it should, a more powerful Switch 2 can have a great lifespan aside PS5 and the next Xbox. Or even keep getting its hardware upgraded, if the trend of "no generations" continues. Maybe even receiving good AAA third-party games in the future (not all of them though).