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mZuzek said:
MarkkyStorm said:

Curitiba is a dream when compared to the rest of the country.

Curitiba has gotten way, way worse these last few years, though. It has gotten to a point where I definitely don't feel safe when I'm walking around the streets. The sad part is, what you said might still be true.

That's sad to hear. It has been a few years since I visited the city. But I'm sure that it doesn't compare to Porto Alegre. Jez, Porto Alegre is just terrible. It seems like you will be robbed in every dawn corner.



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mZuzek said:
AZWification said:

Shit, when ar ethings going to get better there?

I think it'll be a long time before things stop getting worse... but good enough, I don't think it'll ever be. Brazil just sucks.

That sucks, I always thought Brazil was a pretty interesting country.



                
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mZuzek said:
AZWification said:

Shit, when ar ethings going to get better there?

I think it'll be a long time before things stop getting worse... but good enough, I don't think it'll ever be. Brazil just sucks.

When did things go out of control actually? Was it because of world cup? I've never heard abt these increasing violence case until very lately



AZWification said:
mZuzek said:

I think it'll be a long time before things stop getting worse... but good enough, I don't think it'll ever be. Brazil just sucks.

That sucks, I always thought Brazil was a pretty interesting country.

Brazil for tourism is a nice place. For living it sucks. Because as a tourist you are going to see the good side, and if you are european or american you are coming with USD or Euros, and your money will be more than enough for you to live the best here.

But it`s the thing, if a person is really rich he can live just the best part of it, like Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, if you live in places like Jardins, Higienopolis, Leblon and Barra you are going to live like a person would live in NY or LA. The thing is, there are many realities inside our country, there is a reality that is just like a first world country and there`s a reality that is like an warzone.



 

Lawlight said:
WolfpackN64 said:
That really sucks. I'd suggest getting out of there. The USA might not be as welcoming to people from Latin America at the moment, but you could always head for Europe or a neighbouring country.

How the hell would he head for Europe? On what visa?

If he's lucky, he could try to get a work visa. Most EU countries aren't very strict towards immigration from Latin America.



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Soonerman said:
Chris Hu said:

Since the two major parties in the US did a major ideology switch during the civil rights movement of the 60s the Democrats are actually the only major party that somewhat cares about the common man.  The Republicans only care about the 1% and getting richer.  Also all the ideas that benfited the common man in the last 200 years where started by the left.  The Left started Unions, fought for a minium wage, are now fighting for living wages, the abolishment of child labor, overtime pay, 40 hour work week, safe working conditions, equal pay for both sexes, unversal health care etc. etc.

Ahahaha, you gotta be kidding me right? Let me tell you the whole idea of how the Republicans are creating the one percent. Let's get taxed the shit out of us when we're middle class as inflation keeps happening for products but not salaries while giving that hard earned tax money to the poor who do not need to try to get out of welfare. If the damn democrats would put social programs that actually were tracked and the people receiving it proved they are doing their best to get out of poverty for whatever reason I would support them. But when I know a girl that has 6 kids from 4 different guys traveling to Europe with the social welfare money, cuz mind you, the dads are white trash that don't have jobs, I would actually support your claim.

You do know social welfare fraud, while a problem, is in most countries smaller by a factor 1000 then fiscal fraud.



BraLoD said:
AZWification said:

I knew violence in Brazil was bad, but not quite THIS bad..

Right in front of where I work, and I mean literally, it's 20M away, on the other side of the street, there was a massive shoutout last year, guys had heavy machine guns and explosives, it was an one hour long non stop one sided shooting against our helpless police.
I've never seem anything like that, crime is pretty damn common here, all kinds of robbery, yeah, they tried to enter my house several times as well, one time I was right next to the door (a glass door, but filled with iron bars), using the nootbook on the table next to it, and the guy tried to enter from that door, saw me there, and gladly didn't have a gun and ran away, but this kind of massive shootouts was a first to me, though it happens on Rio all the damn time.

I'm not an expert on this topic, but I honestly think corruption has destroyed so much of Brazil. It's on a level I never expected.

 

In the middle east, I lived in a very poor region of Palestine. I never saw any huge issues (besides the rare fight or two) and most people lived with each other quite fine. Even without the best economic conditions, people were at least partially happy.

 

What exactly has the government done to establish such high levels of corruption? Every place has crime, but hearing these stories really leaves me speechless. I really hope it doesn't get much worse from here



mZuzek said:
LipeJJ said:
That sucks and all, but I really think people are overreacting here (about safety and all). I mean, the guy lived in one of the most dangerous places of the country. It's not surprising to me at all.

No one's overreacting. What would you think if a friend of yours was murdered on their own house? I'm sure it wouldn't be "that sucks and all". I know nothing about how dangerous Anápolis is, but it really doesn't matter. Brazil as a whole is a dangerous place to be in (hard to find anyone who's never been robbed, I was on that select lucky few until some months ago), but that doesn't excuse this kind of stuff. It shouldn't be normal to expect danger when you're just walking on the street, let alone when you get home.

I've been reading this thread all day and it's gotten me feeling really depressed. I hadn't said anything because I just couldn't think of words that would sound respectful... I've no idea how awful it must be to lose a friend like that.

That's the thing. I agree that a lot of places in Brazil are dangerous, but not all of them. Not even close. If you say that, you must live in a somewhat dangerous area. Plus, most countries have dangerous cities/neighbourhoods/etc. It's not an excuse... it must be terrible to lose a friend that way indeed, but all I'm saying it that given the place he lived it's not really surprising and that it doesn't mean that ALL places here are dangerous like that. That's where I think people are overreating (let's face it: we, brazilians, are drama queens when it comes to our country... we like to criticize everything, even the parts that are good).



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monocle_layton said:
BraLoD said:

Right in front of where I work, and I mean literally, it's 20M away, on the other side of the street, there was a massive shoutout last year, guys had heavy machine guns and explosives, it was an one hour long non stop one sided shooting against our helpless police.
I've never seem anything like that, crime is pretty damn common here, all kinds of robbery, yeah, they tried to enter my house several times as well, one time I was right next to the door (a glass door, but filled with iron bars), using the nootbook on the table next to it, and the guy tried to enter from that door, saw me there, and gladly didn't have a gun and ran away, but this kind of massive shootouts was a first to me, though it happens on Rio all the damn time.

I'm not an expert on this topic, but I honestly think corruption has destroyed so much of Brazil. It's on a level I never expected.

 

In the middle east, I lived in a very poor region of Palestine. I never saw any huge issues (besides the rare fight or two) and most people lived with each other quite fine. Even without the best economic conditions, people were at least partially happy.

 

What exactly has the government done to establish such high levels of corruption? Every place has crime, but hearing these stories really leaves me speechless. I really hope it doesn't get much worse from here

There`s a theory that says the root of violence isn`t poverty, but inequality. In Brazil inequality is horrenduous and it`s just getting worse. This is why for example in some isolated cities in Brazil that are really poor are peaceful and some places like Rio favelas are extremely violent, even being reacher than the isolated city, because those people are poor when compared with the people that lives in the noble areas of the town.

And also there`s the thing, Brazil never had a rupture in a political sense. We were a portuguese colony and even being independent most of our political structure is pretty much the same, if you study Brazil history you see how ridiculuous it was, there were very few momentrs when some change tried to happen. We are pretty much a glorified medieval country right now, we have most of the conveniences of the modern world but they are avalaible to the very few while most people don`t have treated water and sewage systems at their homes. 

This place is collapsing, the brazillian government is going to collapse if not this decade the next it will for sure. 



gigaSheik said:
Keep electing socialists.
Keep electing liberals.
Keep electing leftists.

In the long run, strong social programs/ heavy investment in accessible education is very efficient in reducing crime. Northern Europe/Canada/Japan/New Zealand are all safer than the US.



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