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eva01beserk said:
MTZehvor said:
I do think the thread title is a bit misleading, as, according to the article, only the wife's husband is allowed to sue her. Unless the husband is the rapist, the rapist won't be the one suing.

With that said, I agree, the law is a terrible idea across the board, even if you are pro life. The potential to threaten a rape victim with a lawsuit is not the way to support your position. The admittedly small silver lining is that this will likely very rarely happen, if ever.

At no point is the woman ever sued. The one getting sued by this law is only the doctor. And thats only if he does the surgery without the knowladge of the father. 

You're entirely right, I should have read the article more clearly. Well, in that case, the thread title is even more misleading than I initially claimed.



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HollyGamer said:
eva01beserk said:

So kill the mother if she was raped to avoid broken familys, that makes so much sense. Thanks for educating me.

Not only the mother but also the man. Well we dont kill them we , we stone them, 100 times ,   , if died durring  the process then all of their sin is is no more. Of course  if they still alive we forgive them  . And also the penalty are  permitted if the one who commit adultary  are agree to be punish. If they dont want they just keep their sin secreet , they dont have to announce it to public or the authority . But if there is other people involving example a couple who having affair and it was cought with her husband or his wife then the couple that get cheated have right to forgive them or to give the penalty, but they also can replace with fine.

If you think it's very unhuman,. this kind of penalty are super effective that preventing from adultary, unwanted child, illegal abortion, and rape criminality, and also the it's save from HIV and other  sexual transmitted diseases. You can check the specific data on Wikipedia and other source . The ultra low rape and sex abuse on Saudi Arabia are extreamly low, compare to the rest of the world, especially US, UK and Europe that almost every day has rape case. 

But you just admit in your first paragraph that they frequently keep it secret so that they don't get punished. So, the fear of being stoned results in a much lower per capita rate of reported  rape, that does not mean that there are much fewer rapes.



HollyGamer said:
eva01beserk said:

So kill the mother if she was raped to avoid broken familys, that makes so much sense. Thanks for educating me.

Not only the mother but also the man. Well we dont kill them we , we stone them, 100 times ,   , if died durring  the process then all of their sin is is no more. Of course  if they still alive we forgive them  . And also the penalty are  permitted if the one who commit adultary  are agree to be punish. If they dont want they just keep their sin secreet , they dont have to announce it to public or the authority . But if there is other people involving example a couple who having affair and it was cought with her husband or his wife then the couple that get cheated have right to forgive them or to give the penalty, but they also can replace with fine.

If you think it's very unhuman,. this kind of penalty are super effective that preventing from adultary, unwanted child, illegal abortion, and rape criminality, and also the it's save from HIV and other  sexual transmitted diseases. You can check the specific data on Wikipedia and other source . The ultra low rape and sex abuse on Saudi Arabia are extreamly low, compare to the rest of the world, especially US, UK and Europe that almost every day has rape case. 

I really hope this is a joke, cuz I really dont know how to respond to someone that thinks this way. Not in any way that wont get me baned.



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eva01beserk said:
HollyGamer said:

Not only the mother but also the man. Well we dont kill them we , we stone them, 100 times ,   , if died durring  the process then all of their sin is is no more. Of course  if they still alive we forgive them  . And also the penalty are  permitted if the one who commit adultary  are agree to be punish. If they dont want they just keep their sin secreet , they dont have to announce it to public or the authority . But if there is other people involving example a couple who having affair and it was cought with her husband or his wife then the couple that get cheated have right to forgive them or to give the penalty, but they also can replace with fine.

If you think it's very unhuman,. this kind of penalty are super effective that preventing from adultary, unwanted child, illegal abortion, and rape criminality, and also the it's save from HIV and other  sexual transmitted diseases. You can check the specific data on Wikipedia and other source . The ultra low rape and sex abuse on Saudi Arabia are extreamly low, compare to the rest of the world, especially US, UK and Europe that almost every day has rape case. 

I really hope this is a joke, cuz I really dont know how to respond to someone that thinks this way. Not in any way that wont get me baned.

This is not a Joke, it's proven well, and you can find the source in Internet , how well this kind of penalty keep the country from all the bad affect of sex diseases , and sex criminality.

And also it's reduce the level of other crimes. Most of criminal that born are from  from broken family, and having affair, cheating, irresponsible parent, and unwanted child lead to broken family. And  a teenager that born from this family tend to do crime. 

 Well many people argue this is inhuman , and i understand that. But so far  the execution are almost non existent, because people are afraid to commit illegal adultery, at least they keep it quiet, and keep it as a taboo. And it's very rare to find the execution nowadays. 

But so far it works well , no big complaint, the country running peacefully and no demonstration and protest. Hell even people all around the world from Islamic majority population want to  live there, I am one of it. Several country like Brunei, also trying to follow this kind or penalty. In my country we implemented, but i would love to have one. :) 



HollyGamer said:
eva01beserk said:

I really hope this is a joke, cuz I really dont know how to respond to someone that thinks this way. Not in any way that wont get me baned.

This is not a Joke, it's proven well, and you can find the source in Internet , how well this kind of penalty keep the country from all the bad affect of sex diseases , and sex criminality.

And also it's reduce the level of other crimes. Most of criminal that born are from  from broken family, and having affair, cheating, irresponsible parent, and unwanted child lead to broken family. And  a teenager that born from this family tend to do crime. 

 Well many people argue this is inhuman , and i understand that. But so far  the execution are almost non existent, because people are afraid to commit illegal adultery, at least they keep it quiet, and keep it as a taboo. And it's very rare to find the execution nowadays. 

But so far it works well , no big complaint, the country running peacefully and no demonstration and protest. Hell even people all around the world from Islamic majority population want to  live there, I am one of it. Several country like Brunei, also trying to follow this kind or penalty. In my country we implemented, but i would love to have one. :) 

As I said to you in my response, just because the reported crime rate is lower doesn't mean there's less rapes, as many people won't go to the cops for fear of punishment.



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VGPolyglot said:
HollyGamer said:

Not only the mother but also the man. Well we dont kill them we , we stone them, 100 times ,   , if died durring  the process then all of their sin is is no more. Of course  if they still alive we forgive them  . And also the penalty are  permitted if the one who commit adultary  are agree to be punish. If they dont want they just keep their sin secreet , they dont have to announce it to public or the authority . But if there is other people involving example a couple who having affair and it was cought with her husband or his wife then the couple that get cheated have right to forgive them or to give the penalty, but they also can replace with fine.

If you think it's very unhuman,. this kind of penalty are super effective that preventing from adultary, unwanted child, illegal abortion, and rape criminality, and also the it's save from HIV and other  sexual transmitted diseases. You can check the specific data on Wikipedia and other source . The ultra low rape and sex abuse on Saudi Arabia are extreamly low, compare to the rest of the world, especially US, UK and Europe that almost every day has rape case. 

But you just admit in your first paragraph that they frequently keep it secret so that they don't get punished. So, the fear of being stoned results in a much lower per capita rate of reported  rape, that does not mean that there are much fewer rapes.

But with that result no execution happen :) and no individual had been harmed and stoned. At least it keep it as taboo and people are fear to commit it. Even if there is no execution , it doesn't mean it cannot be reported. The victim can report but it cannot execute the penalties . This days everything got reported easily , from human right movement and other humanitarian movement, but so far no big cases being reported. So the reason it's so low it's not because people cannot reported but there is nothing to report. :) :)



HollyGamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

But you just admit in your first paragraph that they frequently keep it secret so that they don't get punished. So, the fear of being stoned results in a much lower per capita rate of reported  rape, that does not mean that there are much fewer rapes.

But with that result no execution happen :) and no individual had been harmed and stoned. At least it keep it as taboo and people are fear to commit it. Even if there is no execution , it doesn't mean it cannot be reported. The victim can report but it cannot execute the penalties . This days everything got reported easily , from human right movement and other humanitarian movement, but so far no big cases being reported. So the reason it's so low it's not because people cannot reported but there is nothing to report. :) :)

But in a previous post you say that the mother and the man would be stoned if it went to the police, so what happens is that a woman gets raped, and on top of that, she can't do anything about or she'll get stoned. How is morally acceptable in any capacity?



HollyGamer said:
eva01beserk said:

I really hope this is a joke, cuz I really dont know how to respond to someone that thinks this way. Not in any way that wont get me baned.

This is not a Joke, it's proven well, and you can find the source in Internet , how well this kind of penalty keep the country from all the bad affect of sex diseases , and sex criminality.

And also it's reduce the level of other crimes. Most of criminal that born are from  from broken family, and having affair, cheating, irresponsible parent, and unwanted child lead to broken family. And  a teenager that born from this family tend to do crime. 

 Well many people argue this is inhuman , and i understand that. But so far  the execution are almost non existent, because people are afraid to commit illegal adultery, at least they keep it quiet, and keep it as a taboo. And it's very rare to find the execution nowadays. 

But so far it works well , no big complaint, the country running peacefully and no demonstration and protest. Hell even people all around the world from Islamic majority population want to  live there, I am one of it. Several country like Brunei, also trying to follow this kind or penalty. In my country we implemented, but i would love to have one. :) 

Like the previous reply that was made to you and you just admiting, rape is not really lower, its just that it goes unreported cuz if the woman reports it, she dies as well. 

This is counter productive. This will in no doubt increase the amount of rapes, because men know that the victims wont come and report them since they will die as well. 

How can you say is peacefull with no demostrations or protest? The quram does not permit it, you even hint at rebelion and you also get the death penalty. You re delusional if you think this works in any way.

Many people thinking is inhuman is a big understatement. The enterie civilized world thinks that is inhuman, barbaric and stuck in the midle ages.



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VGPolyglot said:
HollyGamer said:

This is not a Joke, it's proven well, and you can find the source in Internet , how well this kind of penalty keep the country from all the bad affect of sex diseases , and sex criminality.

And also it's reduce the level of other crimes. Most of criminal that born are from  from broken family, and having affair, cheating, irresponsible parent, and unwanted child lead to broken family. And  a teenager that born from this family tend to do crime. 

 Well many people argue this is inhuman , and i understand that. But so far  the execution are almost non existent, because people are afraid to commit illegal adultery, at least they keep it quiet, and keep it as a taboo. And it's very rare to find the execution nowadays. 

But so far it works well , no big complaint, the country running peacefully and no demonstration and protest. Hell even people all around the world from Islamic majority population want to  live there, I am one of it. Several country like Brunei, also trying to follow this kind or penalty. In my country we implemented, but i would love to have one. :) 

As I said to you in my response, just because the reported crime rate is lower doesn't mean there's less rapes, as many people won't go to the cops for fear of punishment.

Again , it doesn't mean you cannot report. People who got raped will not be execute , the rapers are the one who get executed. And also the execution are  permited if both party (the victim and the perpretator ) agree to be executed in that way. So if they reported it doesn't mean the execution will happen .



HollyGamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

As I said to you in my response, just because the reported crime rate is lower doesn't mean there's less rapes, as many people won't go to the cops for fear of punishment.

Again , it doesn't mean you cannot report. People who got raped will not be execute , the rapers are the one who get executed. And also the execution are  permited if both party (the victim and the perpretator ) agree to be executed in that way. So if they reported it doesn't mean the execution will happen .

You just said a couple of post back that the rape victim and the raper both get stoned to death. Then you went on to say that they dont report it in fear of death, that they make secret deals. Now your saying they dont get stoned. 

You are trying to backpedal because you let out how montrous your sosiety is. But we all knew that already.



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