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NEW POLL. What do you think of Horizon Zero dawn so far?

I love it, it's brilliant. 307 71.23%
 
It's good, above average. 38 8.82%
 
Eh, mediocre. 16 3.71%
 
it's bad. below average. 3 0.70%
 
It's terrible, so disopointed. 4 0.93%
 
Yet to tell/no opinion/don't own it. ..... 63 14.62%
 
Total:431
CGI-Quality said:
John2290 said:
This game seems to be aging like Keanu Reeves, everytime I go back in to continue my fresh playthrough I find my jaw dropping over and over. Uc4 felt dated by this point in it's life compared to the first experience and most other games are lucky to make it a year before the flaws around the edges emerge when compared to newer titles, this is so far ahead of it's time that 2 years later it looks as good as any game released and in fact I think the few that have topped it in certain ways, maybe GoW, Detroit in some aspects and for sure Metro Exodus on PC will not age as well as this as the years tick along. When we look back in 5 years or 10 I'd reckon this will be a wind waker like graphical marvel that still holds up due to it's cleaness and how the art was merged into the graphical side in style. It just oozes a feeling of concept art like visuals all around, if the edges can stay clean and I think they will as I can see little ailsing in resolution mode then it'll look better than some of the games that look technically better right now when there is some time between them. A real effing marvel of a game, I'd really hope developers learn from this one.

While I get your enthusiasm, I have to disagree. For one, features of Uncharted 4 stand toe-to-toe with it (especially character models). Next, the other games you mentioned all have aspects that exceed Horizon in a way that will ensure they won’t look dated anytime before it does. Art is one thing. The technical side of Horizon, while still marvelous, falls short of God of War and I won’t even mention Metro.

I say just enjoy the accomplishment the game achieved at the time. Its clean aesthetic is great on its own.

Now if your talking  Metro exodus on the PS4 I disagree having finished  it on the Pro it has some lovely effects one but  parts stood out, an example I was looking at a debris field  made up of splintered wood floating in an underground channel, obviously it wasn't a place you would venture into Artyom isn't a good swimmer but just passing close by I was shocked not that it was lo res but it was flat like those flat textures you would see in PS2 games that looked to be 3D till you got close, and while that's extreme there were lots more examples of low quality texturing  ,then you have all the bugs,so for me Horizon came across as a more competent game from an overall perspective regarding it's graphics and looks than Metro were the margin between it's best and worst was a lot wider , now having said that The PC iMetro is a different beast but who's to say what Horizon would become if it was made for PC.



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mjk45 said:
CGI-Quality said:

While I get your enthusiasm, I have to disagree. For one, features of Uncharted 4 stand toe-to-toe with it (especially character models). Next, the other games you mentioned all have aspects that exceed Horizon in a way that will ensure they won’t look dated anytime before it does. Art is one thing. The technical side of Horizon, while still marvelous, falls short of God of War and I won’t even mention Metro.

I say just enjoy the accomplishment the game achieved at the time. Its clean aesthetic is great on its own.

Now if your talking  Metro exodus on the PS4 I disagree having finished  it on the Pro it has some lovely effects one but  parts stood out, an example I was looking at a debris field  made up of splintered wood floating in an underground channel, obviously it wasn't a place you would venture into Artyom isn't a good swimmer but just passing close by I was shocked not that it was lo res but it was flat like those flat textures you would see in PS2 games that looked to be 3D till you got close, and while that's extreme there were lots more examples of low quality texturing  ,then you have all the bugs,so for me Horizon came across as a more competent game from an overall perspective regarding it's graphics and looks than Metro were the margin between it's best and worst was a lot wider , now having said that The PC iMetro is a different beast but who's to say what Horizon would become if it was made for PC.

Yeah, I was talking PC. The console versions are many steps behind it. 



                                                                                                                                            

CGI-Quality said:
mjk45 said:

Now if your talking  Metro exodus on the PS4 I disagree having finished  it on the Pro it has some lovely effects one but  parts stood out, an example I was looking at a debris field  made up of splintered wood floating in an underground channel, obviously it wasn't a place you would venture into Artyom isn't a good swimmer but just passing close by I was shocked not that it was lo res but it was flat like those flat textures you would see in PS2 games that looked to be 3D till you got close, and while that's extreme there were lots more examples of low quality texturing  ,then you have all the bugs,so for me Horizon came across as a more competent game from an overall perspective regarding it's graphics and looks than Metro were the margin between it's best and worst was a lot wider , now having said that The PC iMetro is a different beast but who's to say what Horizon would become if it was made for PC.

Yeah, I was talking PC. The console versions are many steps behind it. 

What I mean is the artistic styling of the game will hold up in the same way Wind waker looks miles better in 2019 than games a generation ahead of it no matter what tech was used, the same way MSG2 or FF9 still look like they are out of place among the their own generation and still look great two decades later. Horizon has that same style and asthetic at it's core Something I think BOTW also has. It is not always the most technically impressive title now that looks the best 10 or 15 years down the road as BOTW is going to look tenfold better The Division 2 or Anthem with that distance between them, Horizon has that same DNA, I believe.  

As for Metro on PC it's unfair to compare that to 8th gen games and again, my grammar and mobile keyboard has failed me because I know for a fact I did not intend for this or whatever the he'll I am saying here to imply what it does. 

"maybe GoW, Detroit in some aspects and for sure Metro Exodus on PC will not age as well as this as the years tick along..."

Reading that now it feels like I'm impkyibg that Horizon or ps4 exclusives hold up to metro but that is just bad formatting cause I know I did not intend that. I end up cleaning up my text on this site so much because my mobile keyboard does not play well with the site at all, that I end up editing my shit to pieces, yes I need to stop being lazy and pick up my laptop but mobile is convenient. 

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John2290 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Yeah, I was talking PC. The console versions are many steps behind it. 

As for Metro on PC it's unfair to compare that to 8th gen games

Why?



                                                                                                                                            

CGI-Quality said:
John2290 said:

 

As for Metro on PC it's unfair to compare that to 8th gen games 

Why?

My reason would be because there is a Metro exodus on PS4 to compare with Horizon and using PC rather than the  PS4 game  leads us  to this question,  if we need to use the PC version to make the point, then  how would a  hypothetical PC Horizon  compare using what we can deduce from the differences between the PS4 Metro and the PC version as a rough guide.



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mjk45 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Why?

My reason would be because there is a Metro exodus on PS4 to compare with Horizon and using PC rather than the  PS4 game  leads us  to this question,  if we need to use the PC version to make the point, then  how would a  hypothetical PC Horizon  compare using what we can deduce from the differences between the PS4 Metro and the PC version as a rough guide.

 You can compare Horizon to the PS4 version, but that doesn’t change that it looks much better on a platform that exists now and we’re talking about coming back to games years down the line. Exodus (PC), like Horizon, is part of that. And PC is always compared to console, so claiming that this is now, somehow, unfair, is silly.

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CGI-Quality said:
mjk45 said:

My reason would be because there is a Metro exodus on PS4 to compare with Horizon and using PC rather than the  PS4 game  leads us  to this question,  if we need to use the PC version to make the point, then  how would a  hypothetical PC Horizon  compare using what we can deduce from the differences between the PS4 Metro and the PC version as a rough guide.

 You can compare Horizon to the PS4 version, but that doesn’t change that it looks much better on a platform that exists now and we’re talking about coming back to games years down the line. Exodus (PC), like Horizon, is part of that. And PC is always compared to console, so claiming that this is now, somehow, unfair, is silly.

Your using the PC version is fine in the context of rereading Johns first quote I was thrown off when he later suggested it was an unfair comparison thinking he must have never mentioned the PC version when in fact he was the one who brought it up so it was fair game, I agree with you about comparing software, my argument isn't with comparing versions against one another, hell  it's core to digital foundries existence and helps us with choice, while John opened this particular discourse up  to Metro  PC , I still feel no matter how silly you may think it is, if you are comparing different games in respect to how they may have aged using the same platform if available gives a more even view toward that end, you can cut back somewhat on the wriggle room, then again how much does any of this matter when most people talk of aging are really mostly talking about ascetics and how they view the games appearance so it is truly in the eye of the beholder.

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mjk45 said:
CGI-Quality said:

 You can compare Horizon to the PS4 version, but that doesn’t change that it looks much better on a platform that exists now and we’re talking about coming back to games years down the line. Exodus (PC), like Horizon, is part of that. And PC is always compared to console, so claiming that this is now, somehow, unfair, is silly.

Your using the PC version is fine in the context of rereading Johns first quote I was thrown off when he later suggested it was an unfair comparison thinking he must have never mentioned the PC version when in fact he was the one who brought it up so it was fair game, I agree with you about comparing software, my argument isn't with comparing versions against one another, hell  it's core to digital foundries existence and helps us with choice, while John opened this particular discourse up  to Metro  PC , I still feel no matter how silly you may think it is, if you are comparing different games in respect to how they may have aged using the same platform if available gives a more even view toward that end, you can cut back somewhat on the wriggle room, then again how much does any of this matter when most people talk of aging are really mostly talking about ascetics and how they view the games appearance so it is truly in the eye of the beholder.

I get what you’re saying, but let’s take a different approach. When thinking back to this gen, I’m going to remember it as a package (like every other gen). 

Also, and in fairness, we compared Horizon to 2017 PC releases (and if the graphics thread was anything to go on, people felt it took the year, even with graphical juggernauts like Battlefront II out in the wild). 

Just another way to gauge it. ;p

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CGI-Quality said:
mjk45 said:

Your using the PC version is fine in the context of rereading Johns first quote I was thrown off when he later suggested it was an unfair comparison thinking he must have never mentioned the PC version when in fact he was the one who brought it up so it was fair game, I agree with you about comparing software, my argument isn't with comparing versions against one another, hell  it's core to digital foundries existence and helps us with choice, while John opened this particular discourse up  to Metro  PC , I still feel no matter how silly you may think it is, if you are comparing different games in respect to how they may have aged using the same platform if available gives a more even view toward that end, you can cut back somewhat on the wriggle room, then again how much does any of this matter when most people talk of aging are really mostly talking about ascetics and how they view the games appearance so it is truly in the eye of the beholder.

I get what you’re saying, but let’s take a different approach. When thinking back to this gen, I’m going to remember it as a package (like every other gen). 

Also, and in fairness, we compared Horizon to 2017 PC releases (and if the graphics thread was anything to go on, people felt it took the year, even with graphical juggernauts like Battlefront II our in the wild). 

Just another way to gauge it. ;p

My point of difference is a pretty simple one " I believe that  if the games that are being compared  happen to be on the same platform then that should make the  comparison more straight forward ", that isn't advocating that it's the only way to make those comparisons, I feel both of our views aren't mutually exclusive more a case of selection criteria, your view is looking at the versions of a particular game being part of a set where you would use the most capable version to be the example, while my selection would differ from yours in the cases where the games being compared include a game that's platform locked then that platform would be taken into consideration when possible.

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mjk45 said:
CGI-Quality said:

I get what you’re saying, but let’s take a different approach. When thinking back to this gen, I’m going to remember it as a package (like every other gen). 

Also, and in fairness, we compared Horizon to 2017 PC releases (and if the graphics thread was anything to go on, people felt it took the year, even with graphical juggernauts like Battlefront II our in the wild). 

Just another way to gauge it. ;p

No that's not what I'm saying, no where have I said anything like that, I stated that I agreed with you about comparing software, my point of difference is a pretty simple one " I believe that  if the games that are being compared  happen to be on the same platform then that should make the  comparison more straight forward ", that isn't advocating that it's the only way to make those comparisons, and like I said does it really matter since most people seem to judge ageing   on their own personal aesthetics

Said anything like what?

I realize we mostly agree and there may be something lost in translation. It was mainly John's assessment that I wasn't in tune with.