EricHiggin said:
Isn't Pro basically PS4 Jag with higher clocks and Pit X2 with a few Polaris and Vega features on 16nm?
I don't see why PS5 couldn't be Ryzen + Vega/Navi, all in a 14nm APU. The node is smaller and more efficient, and the tech in the CPU and GPU is much more advanced and considerably faster than Jag and Pit. They could shoot for 8 to 10 Tflops, 2-3 years after Pro, which would be just another step like PS4 to Pro. I don't think PS wants to have such big power jumps like previous gens, just constant iterations of consistant power steps. This makes FC and BC easier.
This would most likely mean that PS wouldn't be able to cram all that into a tiny box, since the heatsink, fan, and supply would all likely have to be larger than what Pro has now. They would probably have to build PS5 bigger than Pro, so similar in size to the XB1/PS3 (internal supply).
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PS4pro is using an underclocked polaris (36 compute units) GPU. And those only come in 14nm. The CPU could be built on a 16/14nm process but its definately not still 28nm. And yes, the CPU is still jag but the smaller fab process allows them overclock it while still mainting whatever heat margins they have.
One of the downsides with the Jag CPU is that its never really been higher clocks friendly. Which is why they probably couldn't get it much higher than where its at now.
While Ryzen is supposed to be a 14nm chip, Vega 20/Navi is designed to be 7nm.
What you see in the PS4pro box, is the best they could do using the currently available 14nm tech applied to both the jaguar CPU and the polaris GPU. Yes, they could definately clock all that higher, but that would require an even bigger case and bigger cooling solution. And of course cost more.
And it makes no sense shooting for 10TF.... reason being that polaris and vega will peak at 5-8TF on a 14nm process. So unless they go the extreme route of using a dedicated GPU and CPu (which is really expensive) there is no way they can hit 10TF in an APU chip form factor.
Lastly, that 2-3yrs after pro you are talking about? Thats right around 2020. Ryzen+/Vega20/Navi which are all 7nm chipsets should be on the market around 2019. Cerny himself said it, a new console isn't defined by just a jump in GPU power but by the addition of a new CPU and signiicntly more RAM. All of which will be available around 2020 and that can be made to fit into a $400 box. Sony ending up with a 14-16TF GPU console and a significantly beefier CPU with next gen memroy and storage solutions would end up having nothing to do with what they want or not want. Its just gonna be down to where the market is at.
Look at it this way, If sony and MS were to make a 10-12 TF console in 2020, it would be the equivalent of them going out of their way to make underpowered hardware. Or unless of course they wanted to come in at a $250 price point.