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palou on 30 January 2017
monocle_layton said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=225342&page=28

 

After reading this thread, i realized something- many of the political threads have become a mess. 

 

1. Threads made concerning an event must be sourced- you can't make a thread saying Hillary Clinton has raped 20 men and run away with a smirk. Unless it's simply a discussion about something (for example someone wanting to talk about border control), we should promote people to put sources to try to prevent false information. 

Sorry, sorry... I didn't think a source was necessary, considering that you heard about it everywhere



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monocle_layton on 30 January 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Arminillo said:

So like sn opinion ban? Maybe just for 90 days until the mods can come up with a new strategy for those who hold controversial opinions.

Wait, so people like me would get banned merely for having an opinion different from the norm? Being a communist/anarchist, I would surely be one of the targeted people, even if it is supposed to against the far-right.

Definitely not.

There's nothing wrong with believing in communism, socialism, or capitalism. It depends on how you express it. You don't shove it down anyone's throats, so you're simply an addition to the community 

 

Only opinions I think should bring a ban are ones which are clearly offensive. for example,  person saying all jews or a group of people should be dead. there's simply no way one can think that's tolerable. 



palou on 30 January 2017
monocle_layton said:
VGPolyglot said:

Wait, so people like me would get banned merely for having an opinion different from the norm? Being a communist/anarchist, I would surely be one of the targeted people, even if it is supposed to against the far-right.

Definitely not.

There's nothing wrong with believing in communism, socialism, or capitalism. It depends on how you express it. You don't shove it down anyone's throats, so you're simply an addition to the community 

 

Only opinions I think should bring a ban are ones which are clearly offensive. for example,  person saying all jews or a group of people should be dead. there's simply no way one can think that's tolerable. 

I propose: negative generalizations (I saw many people like that do bad stuff - he's like that - I assume that he does bad stuff) should be bannable.

This would include naming any person that ever voted for Trump is a racist/Nazi, terms such as "Libertard", which group together a large amount of people while assuming they all hold specific beliefs, etc...

To a lesser degree, any attacks on the person (insulting the person, NOT a specific belief he holds.)

 



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monocle_layton on 30 January 2017
FloatingWaffles said:

Politics really bring out the worst in some people it seems, god damn. Some of the responses people have towards others just for having a different opinion are embarrassing and just utterly stupid.

Some people are acting like they were personally insulted or some shit just because someone has a different opinion or view from theirs.

that's life. good thing we're behind a screen, or else things would get pretty ugly rather quickly...

UnderstatedCornHole said:
Sounds like liberal facism to me.
Don't like them don't read them.
Political discourse by its nature is dirty.
Sounds like you just can't handle the heat and are upset that you can't control the narrative like you can with a gaming discussion.

Ok. That's neat.

KingofTrolls said:
harsher rules = censorship.

U are welcome !

Just because they place harsher rules, doesn't mean it is censorship. People simply want political threads to stop being pure garbage. Look at what happens when people think they're entitled to saying anything they want without a reason.

Arminillo said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Would that actually be possible? Ban certain users from threads in the politics section but not elsewhere?

So like sn opinion ban? Maybe just for 90 days until the mods can come up with a new strategy for those who hold controversial opinions.

no no no. Controversial =/= ban. Let's say there is a debate on GMO's and you support them- should you be banned? Of course not.

The reason I stated we should have users watch what they say is because:

a) They say it in a horrible way (I disagree vs What a dumbass statement, see what I mean?)

b) Some opinions are simply discriminatory without debating about it- when users make a post insulting an entire race or group of people, they shouldn't be allowed to continue without consequence, regardless of how serious it is. I remember calling white actors a bunch of crackers and got an entirely deserved warning.

Bandorr said:
Miguel_Zorro said:

I think there's enough consensus to get politics off of the front page.

It's more a question of programming resources.  I'm not sure how much effort it is to do, but perhaps when the admins see this they can scope it.

It should be very easy actually. Notice how "NSFW" is a forum that can't show up on the front page? It probably has a tag. Some form of identifer saying "don't put this on the front page".

You should be able to just apply that tag to politics. Thus politics won't show up on the front page.

A betters solution me be getting "hot topics" to work on the front page. Thus you can filter the front page however you want it.

Wait, I thought NSFW can appear on hot topic?

Also, great idea. I know a lot of people have recommended it, so it's definitely being considered (I hope). 



Insidb on 30 January 2017
ktay95 said:
StarOcean said:
Just get rid of political topics in general. They're fucking awful. I mean, they're fun to mess with people in -but more often than not they turn into pools of shit. I've advocated the banning of political threads since forever and will until it happens.

At least take them off the front page, we've done it before to other threads. I didn't come to a gaming forum to see 1/4 of the threads be about Trump.

This was my exact thought today.



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Insidb on 30 January 2017
RolStoppable said:
I don't think that harsher rules are needed. The ones we have need to be used, that should basically do the trick.

A lot of the controversy in political discussions stems from hypocritical behavior, so you start by bringing the banhammer down on them. Does it really matter if such people do it deliberately or because they honestly don't realize it? I'd say no, because it's disruptive to discussions either way. Someone who doesn't or can't respect the other side of an argument doesn't belong in such discussions.

Another important point is that people of a known political bias try to rally up other people for their cause, often by posting questionable material. Is that really any different than, say, a known Nintendo fan posting anything negative they find about Sony and Microsoft? Once again I'd say no. The problem in political discussions is that the moderation is too lax, so scumbags are left alone because the mod team fears that their moderations could be viewed as too biased towards one side.

But what's the difference between banning the aforementioned Nintendo troll and a political troll? Other Nintendo fans won't be upset that a scumbag got dragged to the chopping block, just like people with similar political leanings won't be upset if someone who clearly went too far is removed from discussions. The only people who will band together in either scenario are scumbags, and scumbags are usually unable or unwilling to make a substantial case against the mod team. Even in a worst case scenario, the mod team still has the Mod Thread. The mods don't need to put up with unreasonable demands, because such demands will already be slammed down by other community members.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.



fleischr on 30 January 2017

Ultimately, this is a gaming site - not a politics one.

There are more than enough politics forums out there. More than I want actually. VGC does not need to be one of them.

I say drop the Politics discussion area entirely. I don't think any real good has come of it.

Stuff like music, movies, anime and sports can stay.



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Arminillo on 30 January 2017

I dont see whats wrong with a 90 day ban. Theres only seven or so users that would be affected and we can give special exclusion to those who hold minority views.



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VGPolyglot on 30 January 2017
Arminillo said:

I dont see whats wrong with a 90 day ban. Theres only seven or so users that would be affected and we can give special exclusion to those who hold minority views.

So, would I be one of those seven, or would I not? How would that be determined?



monocle_layton on 30 January 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Arminillo said:

I dont see whats wrong with a 90 day ban. Theres only seven or so users that would be affected and we can give special exclusion to those who hold minority views.

So, would I be one of those seven, or would I not? How would that be determined?

Do you enforce your opinion on others and think only your opinion matters? are you an asshole in political forums?

If you answered no, then you're good to go.