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arcaneguyver on 29 January 2017

I hope it is, just so it'll be one less thing for prople to bitch about.



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HollyGamer on 29 January 2017
GribbleGrunger said:

Can someone find my older thread in which I said we'd start getting rumours about the PS5 nearer to Scorpio's release?

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I am not Insider , but common sense are applied here for every company who want to keep competing, SONY should have been working on the prototype or i should say PS4 Pro is the early prototype. It's not a rocket science,  the same thing happen on Microsoft with Scorpio. Scorpio can be a full fledged new system if it has it's own exclusive and all their games are not gimped down for Xbox One. It depend on Microsoft, they could just made a half ass upgrade by not making exclusive for Scorpio  or kill Xbox One market by releasing Scorpio as a full fledged new system with exclusive.  



Qwark on 29 January 2017
Barkley said:
Qwark said:
I doubt the PS5 is even in development considering the pro launched a little while ago.

The PS5 has no doubt been in development since the PS4 launched.

Why would they develop it so early its easy to construct a console. You only need the right parts and stuff them in a box and since Sony doesn't make any  important parts themselves  for their consoles why start now? Videocards, motherboards and CPU's in 2020 are not comparable with those of today. So what's to develop for it. It's design and controller which Sony can develop in a year easily.



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Barkley on 29 January 2017
Qwark said:
Barkley said:

The PS5 has no doubt been in development since the PS4 launched.

Why would they develop it so early its easy to construct a console. You only need the right parts and stuff them in a box and since Sony doesn't make any  important parts themselves  for their consoles why start now? Videocards, motherboards and CPU's in 2020 are not comparable with those of today. So what's to develop for it. It's design and controller which Sony can develop in a year easily.

"According to lead architect Mark Cerny, development of Sony's fourth video game console began as early as 2008."

Consoles are in development for a long time.



HollyGamer on 29 January 2017
Qwark said:
Barkley said:

The PS5 has no doubt been in development since the PS4 launched.

Why would they develop it so early its easy to construct a console. You only need the right parts and stuff them in a box and since Sony doesn't make any  important parts themselves  for their consoles why start now? Videocards, motherboards and CPU's in 2020 are not comparable with those of today. So what's to develop for it. It's design and controller which Sony can develop in a year easily.

Remember when the oringinal PS4 released, on interview with Mark Cerny, he said the development of Ps4 had alredy begun since PS3 released. The same thing applied for PS4 succesor. It doesn't need to be the same exact part, that's why the reason prototype exist. Hell even Ps3 protoype is just a bunch of PC part with GTX 7800. 



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HollyGamer on 29 January 2017
Barkley said:
Qwark said:

Why would they develop it so early its easy to construct a console. You only need the right parts and stuff them in a box and since Sony doesn't make any  important parts themselves  for their consoles why start now? Videocards, motherboards and CPU's in 2020 are not comparable with those of today. So what's to develop for it. It's design and controller which Sony can develop in a year easily.

"According to lead architect Mark Cerny, development of Sony's fourth video game console began as early as 2008."

Consoles are in development for a long time.

LOl i just explained the same thing 



merman on 29 January 2017

its not a rumour.. even in the Video the guy says its his opinion

i hope that it is because I'm not about this stupid non backwards compatibility shit when you spend loads of money to own them



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miz1q2w3e on 29 January 2017
Green098 said:
Looks like the Switch passed the baton to the PS5. Let the rumours begin.

I lol'd



thismeintiel on 29 January 2017
Pemalite said:
thismeintiel said:

Also, Navi has been put on hold til 2019.

That is only a Rumor. Untill such a time AMD has confirmed it, we should trust AMD's roadmap to some degree.

thismeintiel said:

Is Zen and Vega better than what AMD has, now?  Yes.

Well. That couldn't be anymore obvious.
But just because it's better than what AMD has now, doesn't mean the goalpost won't be shifting over the next several years.


thismeintiel said:

And I'm sure they will be using some improvements that AMD develops along the way, just as the PS4 Pro GPU does.  Using somewhat older tech is just something console gamers are used to, considering these things are launching at just $399.

The Playstation 4 is an old GPU design. It was old when it released. Having a few "customizations" didn't dramatically change it's capabilities... And the games speak for themselves.

In 2019/2020, mainstream hardware will not only be more efficient than AMD's first Generation NCU architecture, but also cheaper.

thismeintiel said:

Edit:  I also know that AMD/GF is switching to 7nm.  I don't see how that refutes a Vega GPU, considering they are supposed to release a Vega made using 7nm in early 2018.


7nm is not going to arrive in early 2018 for large monolithic chips at Global Foundries.
It will arrive in late 2018, early 2019. Which may push next-gen consoles releasing to 2020.
But don't take my word for it: globalfoundries.com/newsroom/press-releases/2016/09/14/globalfoundries-extends-roadmap-to-deliver-industry-s-leading-performance-offering-of-7nm-finfet-technology

2018 RISK production starts in early 2018. Commercial chips come much much much much later.

So no. You will not get Vega in early 2018 built at 7nm.

Heck, Global Foundries has more of a history of cancelling/delaying it's new nodes than actually being on time anyway. So don't be surprised if it blows out to late 2019.
New process improvements are also slowing down and per-transister costs are increasing due to heavier reliance on things like multi-patterning, EUV and other technologies.
Samsung will release it's 4th Generation 14nm process soon (If it hasn't already) which should be fairly competitive for awhile to come.

If 7nm flops at Global Foundries, then they will likely just license Samsungs technology again, Samsungs 10nm process will be a Hybrid process where the BEOL or FEOL is 14nm (Some rumours are saying 20nm).

TSMC's 10nm process should have a density advantage over Samsung with some luck. (Some estimates place it at near Global Foundries 7nm in terms of density.)
And then you come to the conclusion that the fabs naming schemes for process shrinks is bullshit and not comparable.

Every article I am reading from Jan of this year states it is releasing in 2019, with no mention of it still being a rumor, like was stated in late 2016.  Makes since, though, since Vega was also delayed from 2016 to 2017.  As for fabrication, I don't think it really even matters.  If it's not ready, then they'll just use the 14nm process they are using for current Vegas, or license another tech.  Though, again, the articles I have read from this year have stated AMD is aiming for a Vega 20, which uses the 7nm process, release sometime in 2018. 

"The Playstation 4 is an old GPU design. It was old when it released. Having a few "customizations" didn't dramatically change it's capabilities... And the games speak for themselves."

I'm glad we actually agree in the end, though.    Console gamers are used to somewhat older tech, with a few improvemets from newer tech thrown in.  It's what keeps the prices ~$399. 



 

black8jac on 29 January 2017

I don't see why not both Playstation and Xbox could be backwards compatible from now on. Both systems are now x86 based. Its doable.