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rjason12 said:

Gotta love the constant "Nintendo go third party threads". I've  been hearing this nonsense for 15+ years, and from what I've heard, it's been like that for years before. The fact is that people want their games. They're just upset that they have to buy another console for it. I can guarantee that if Nintendo put out a console similar to the competition with the same features, online, and games. People still wouldn't buy their console s due to brand loyalty. There has always been a "kiddie" stigma behind Nintendo, that keeps people from buying their consoles. I'd compare it to how kids act in school, they don't want to be different and be made fun of, just like people don't want to be made fun of for gaming on Nintendo. Can't tell you how many times I have been treated like shit just because of the video game system I own, like they think they're better than others because of their choice. But you guys have to deal with it. If you want their games, buy their consoles, just like if Nintendo gamers want uncharted or halo, they have to buy those consoles.

Actually Nintendo put out two consoles similar to competition: Gamecube and Wii U - nobody was interested in them.

The Wii U didn't have a hard drive, 3rd party, an ethernet port, basic online features, a good price point in comparison to the competition based on specs, ect.  Add to the fact the Wii wasn't getting games anymore while the 360 and PS3 were, the launch was bad, Nintendo wasn't putting out games regularly unlike the Wii which got Fire Emblem, Metroid and Zelda in the 1st year.  Wii U was objectively a terrible console in terms of features and consistency of releases, it didn't even get an exclusive Zelda game.  It was nothing like the competition or any Nintendo console before it.  GC was following the decline of nintendo hardware that has happened with all platforms outside of the 7th gen.  It got less 3rd party than the PS2, hell I even think PS2 released as many in house IPs as the GC that gen.  That mini disc stuff wasn't going to beat out PS2.  Anyway, to respond to the Uncharted/Halo comment, I couldn't care less about Uncharted, but I still like the PS4 because it offers lots of non-inhouse releases multiplat or exclusive.  That's why it's selling, the 3rd party games push the hardware.  



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As long as I keep getting Zelda games, that is all I care about.

If I had to pick though, I like to see their consoles successful. Better for the industry that way.



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DannyDesario said:

Actually Nintendo put out two consoles similar to competition: Gamecube and Wii U - nobody was interested in them.

The Wii U didn't have a hard drive, 3rd party, an ethernet port, basic online features, a good price point in comparison to the competition based on specs, ect.  Add to the fact the Wii wasn't getting games anymore while the 360 and PS3 were, the launch was bad, Nintendo wasn't putting out games regularly unlike the Wii which got Fire Emblem, Metroid and Zelda in the 1st year.  Wii U was objectively a terrible console in terms of features and consistency of releases, it didn't even get an exclusive Zelda game.  It was nothing like the competition or any Nintendo console before it.  GC was following the decline of nintendo hardware that has happened with all platforms outside of the 7th gen.  It got less 3rd party than the PS2, hell I even think PS2 released as many in house IPs as the GC that gen.  That mini disc stuff wasn't going to beat out PS2.  Anyway, to respond to the Uncharted/Halo comment, I couldn't care less about Uncharted, but I still like the PS4 because it offers lots of non-inhouse releases multiplat or exclusive.  That's why it's selling, the 3rd party games push the hardware.  

Umm, what was your point and does it have to do with my comment of Wii U and Gamecube being similar to competition? 



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bdbdbd said:
DannyDesario said:

The Wii U didn't have a hard drive, 3rd party, an ethernet port, basic online features, a good price point in comparison to the competition based on specs, ect.  Add to the fact the Wii wasn't getting games anymore while the 360 and PS3 were, the launch was bad, Nintendo wasn't putting out games regularly unlike the Wii which got Fire Emblem, Metroid and Zelda in the 1st year.  Wii U was objectively a terrible console in terms of features and consistency of releases, it didn't even get an exclusive Zelda game.  It was nothing like the competition or any Nintendo console before it.  GC was following the decline of nintendo hardware that has happened with all platforms outside of the 7th gen.  It got less 3rd party than the PS2, hell I even think PS2 released as many in house IPs as the GC that gen.  That mini disc stuff wasn't going to beat out PS2.  Anyway, to respond to the Uncharted/Halo comment, I couldn't care less about Uncharted, but I still like the PS4 because it offers lots of non-inhouse releases multiplat or exclusive.  That's why it's selling, the 3rd party games push the hardware.  

Umm, what was your point and does it have to do with my comment of Wii U and Gamecube being similar to competition? 

The Wii U wasn't similar.  None of the competition had tablets, primitive online and lack of 3rd party support.



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DannyDesario said:
bdbdbd said:

Umm, what was your point and does it have to do with my comment of Wii U and Gamecube being similar to competition? 

The Wii U wasn't similar.  None of the competition had tablets, primitive online and lack of 3rd party support.

Of course it was. It was made as better "everything". Better controller, better hardware, better online. Third party support wasn't bad at all at launch, but the bad sales killed the third party support. This is what hapoened to Gamecube as well.



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bdbdbd said:
DannyDesario said:

The Wii U wasn't similar.  None of the competition had tablets, primitive online and lack of 3rd party support.

Of course it was. It was made as better "everything". Better controller, better hardware, better online. Third party support wasn't bad at all at launch, but the bad sales killed the third party support. This is what hapoened to Gamecube as well.

3rd party support was worse than the competition.  FFXV, KH3, MGSV, RE6, GTAV, Far Cry, MKX, Life is Strange, Alien Isolation, The Evil Within, Wolfenstein, Battlefield 4, Batman Arkham Knight and Persona 5 were starting development, being developed, or released close to the Wii U launch.  It didn't get the normal AAA games or Japanese Games PS4, PC or Xbox were getting.  Nintendo was on cruise control with the Wii U and didn't care.  They didn't attempt to partner with anyone like they did with the Capcom Five or Eternal Darkness either so it wasn't like the GC.   It had a gimmicky default controller like the Wii which wasn't like the competition, the hardware was already even more dated than the PS4 at their respective launches.  Like I said, No hard drive so digital gamers needed an external HDD, it didn't meet the comeptition's low standards so no I don't think that it was like the competition.  

As for the GC, it got exposed around GDC 2000 and the 3rd party was DOA because Nintendo didn't care.

https://dromble.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/dolphin-tale-story-of-gamecube/

"CNN reported that Nintendo was charging a much higher licensing fee for GameCube ($11) while Microsoft and Sony charged ($7 – $9). This fell in line with a report from IGN that Microsoft was charging $8 (and possibly lower) licensing fee standard. One major publisher admitted to IGN that Microsoft had been very accommodating when it comes to fees."

"In the December 2000 issue of Next Gen Magazine, approximately 7 months after GDC, Hiroshi Imanishi said they are not approaching third parties to make games for GameCube. Instead, they expect third parties to come to them once the GameCube starts growing their install base"

"By June 2000, no US companies hadworking GameCube development kits yet and were still in prototyping stages. Miyamoto explained, “There are several different stages of the development tools and until the final one is ready we just cannot mass produce them"

"At GDC 2000, most software houses were already well into production with PlayStation 2 and Xbox titles (Not Like The Competition), but very few developers had signed up to create games for Nintendo’s Dolphin. According to various sites, Dolphin was the butt of jokes at GDC, and one major respected developer told IGN, “We’ll develop for Dolphin in five years when Nintendo finally releases some information on it”. Another developer said, “Nintendo is making the same old mistakes, it’s not giving us any incentive to bother with Dolphin”."



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DannyDesario said:
bdbdbd said:

Of course it was. It was made as better "everything". Better controller, better hardware, better online. Third party support wasn't bad at all at launch, but the bad sales killed the third party support. This is what hapoened to Gamecube as well.

3rd party support was worse than the competition.  FFXV, KH3, MGSV, RE6, GTAV, Far Cry, MKX, Life is Strange, Alien Isolation, The Evil Within, Wolfenstein, Battlefield 4, Batman Arkham Knight and Persona 5 were starting development, being developed, or released close to the Wii U launch.  It didn't get the normal AAA games or Japanese Games PS4, PC or Xbox were getting.  Nintendo was on cruise control with the Wii U and didn't care.  They didn't attempt to partner with anyone like they did with the Capcom Five or Eternal Darkness either so it wasn't like the GC.   It had a gimmicky default controller like the Wii which wasn't like the competition, the hardware was already even more dated than the PS4 at their respective launches.  Like I said, No hard drive so digital gamers needed an external HDD, it didn't meet the comeptition's low standards so no I don't think that it was like the competition.  

As for the GC, it got exposed around GDC 2000 and the 3rd party was DOA because Nintendo didn't care.

https://dromble.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/dolphin-tale-story-of-gamecube/

"CNN reported that Nintendo was charging a much higher licensing fee for GameCube ($11) while Microsoft and Sony charged ($7 – $9). This fell in line with a report from IGN that Microsoft was charging $8 (and possibly lower) licensing fee standard. One major publisher admitted to IGN that Microsoft had been very accommodating when it comes to fees."

"In the December 2000 issue of Next Gen Magazine, approximately 7 months after GDC, Hiroshi Imanishi said they are not approaching third parties to make games for GameCube. Instead, they expect third parties to come to them once the GameCube starts growing their install base"

"By June 2000, no US companies hadworking GameCube development kits yet and were still in prototyping stages. Miyamoto explained, “There are several different stages of the development tools and until the final one is ready we just cannot mass produce them"

"At GDC 2000, most software houses were already well into production with PlayStation 2 and Xbox titles (Not Like The Competition), but very few developers had signed up to create games for Nintendo’s Dolphin. According to various sites, Dolphin was the butt of jokes at GDC, and one major respected developer told IGN, “We’ll develop for Dolphin in five years when Nintendo finally releases some information on it”. Another developer said, “Nintendo is making the same old mistakes, it’s not giving us any incentive to bother with Dolphin”."

I guess you're just using the traditional method of having different standards when it comes to facts supporting your argument and those that don't.

I fail to see how Gamecube was on a different trajectory than Xbox or PS when the dev kits were shipped late and royalties were pretty much the same. You're not really proving your own point with the quotes. 

I believe Nintendo had partnered with Platinum Games, Sega and Bandai Namco for Wii U games.

Wii U was more and better - on the same trajectory as everyone else. 



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