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palou said:
NewGuy said:

I am not going to argue that this country was not founded on immigrants because it is irreleavant to this topic,or the bulding walls/ban on muslims because I already addressed those in this thread, but let me ask you, are you for open borders? Let everyone in?

I'm personnaly for free travel of workforce. Not giving citizenship and all benefits, but let everyone work where they want to.

It is a nice, dystopian thought. I'll give you that. However, do you think, given the current state of the world and human nature in general, that it is a feasible thing today or in the future?



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pray4mojo said:
barneystinson69 said:

Wow, what a disgusting comment. And I wonder who caused those changing demograhics? Maybe politicans who have been bringing in millions of people from third world nations where the ones who caused it? I mean America faces racial tention that is dividing the country, but only white people can be racist, so...

The country was FOUNDED on fucking immigrants. We are suppose to be open to them all, from all countries. It's even on the fucking Statue of Liberty. You know... the whole hungry, tired and poor? Closing the borders is all about protecting scared white people. They see the changing demographics and they're scared. When white people get scared and insecure, they get racist and they do all kinds of fucked up shit. Everything from hanging people in the street for public exhibition to building walls to putting bands on muslims. 

It's all disgusting. Building walls is disgusting. Banning muslims is disgusting. Pretending that it's based on anything BUT fear and insecurity is delusion defined. 

The country was founded on good immigrants, immigrants that followed the rules and actively contributed economically and socially as opposed to spitting on the host country's laws.



pray4mojo said:
barneystinson69 said:

Just like the hispanics... oh wait, 30% of them voted for Trump!

Again, feel free to stick yourself in the Nazi camp for all I care. Go sit with your little 27% of detached... people and tap your fingers like Mr. Burns, saying "excellent" all you want. You're still the minorty and that's a great thing because god forbid this country ever be taken over by people delusional enough to vote for Trump. 

Trump gamed the electoral college. He gamed the system. You can get away with it once, but not twice. Like I said, a huge chunk of people who didn't vote will vote him out next time. He's awakened millions and millions of people that were never engaged in politics before and it's a shit storm he's not going to make it out from. 

Wow. I mean you can compare them to Nazis if you want, but facts are facts. American's are tired of having SJW continually ruining their country with their "feeling politics" and "only white people are racist", and wanted change. People already knew this was going to happen, but Hillary still lost! Tells you a lot about how people where sick and tired of establishment politicans...



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

palou said:
NewGuy said:

I am not going to argue that this country was not founded on immigrants because it is irreleavant to this topic,or the bulding walls/ban on muslims because I already addressed those in this thread, but let me ask you, are you for open borders? Let everyone in?

I'm personnaly for free travel of workforce. Not giving citizenship and all benefits, but let everyone work where they want to.

So were you enraged by the Obama administration put a ban on refugees from Muslim countries? Did you say a word about how people couldn't just come to US and work before Trump?



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barneystinson69 said:
pray4mojo said:

The country was FOUNDED on fucking immigrants. We are suppose to be open to them all, from all countries. It's even on the fucking Statue of Liberty. You know... the whole hungry, tired and poor? Closing the borders is all about protecting scared white people. They see the changing demographics and they're scared. When white people get scared and insecure, they get racist and they do all kinds of fucked up shit. Everything from hanging people in the street for public exhibition to building walls to putting bands on muslims. 

It's all disgusting. Building walls is disgusting. Banning muslims is disgusting. Pretending that it's based on anything BUT fear and insecurity is delusion defined. 

Jesus christ, this "immigrants built this country" argument. Guess what, America was founded over 250 years ago!!!! It already has plenty of people, and is growing without immigrants, and is already a COUNTRY. I hear the same thing about Canada all the time, about how we for some reason NEED to bring in more people for whatever reason, yet face stagnation and little job growth. Immigration is a way of producing cheap labour and forcing American's to work for less (same applies to my country). I'm not sure about American, but Canada is already full enough, and America has 8 times more people. Should America open its borders to everyone with no protection for its citizens? Should millions just come from Mexico illegally just because they jumped a fence, while others have to wait years. Should America bring in terrorism, just because a few people want to bash white people for their problems? Blame the politicans for islamic terror, not the very ideology that tells muslims to conquer the world through force (read the Quran). I'm sure its not a problem when Saudi Arabia brings in no refugees, and promotes terrorism around the globe. But when America doesn't allow in refugees, suddenly their "racist"! Same thing with all other western countries... coincidence? And nearly 30% of America is non-white (that is closer to 40% when you disregard hispanic whites, though I count them), so why are you assuming white people are scared? And hey, I mean since most of America's original immigrants where white, why not only allow them in? Sounds a bit hyprocritical to say that, but hey! 

America was founded on settlers and slave labor, not immigrants. There was no governing body and no America when the settlers came here. Immigrants are important and have undoubtedly helped the growth of our country though. Legal immigration is definitely welcome, as long as the vetting and due process is thorough and followed.

You guys are in trouble as Trudeau is pretty much opening your borders right under your noses and you guys are doing nothing about it. To be honest it greatly concerns me and we'll either have to merge or create a wall there as well.



pray4mojo said:
barneystinson69 said:

Just like the hispanics... oh wait, 30% of them voted for Trump!

Again, feel free to stick yourself in the Nazi camp for all I care. Go sit with your little 27% of detached... people and tap your fingers like Mr. Burns, saying "excellent" all you want. You're still the minorty and that's a great thing because god forbid this country ever be taken over by people delusional enough to vote for Trump. 

Trump gamed the electoral college. He gamed the system. You can get away with it once, but not twice. Like I said, a huge chunk of people who didn't vote will vote him out next time. He's awakened millions and millions of people that were never engaged in politics before and it's a shit storm he's not going to make it out from. 

You realize you're just pouting, name calling and not providing anypoints right?

How did Trump game the EC? Please enlighten me.



NewGuy said:
barneystinson69 said:

Jesus christ, this "immigrants built this country" argument. Guess what, America was founded over 250 years ago!!!! It already has plenty of people, and is growing without immigrants, and is already a COUNTRY. I hear the same thing about Canada all the time, about how we for some reason NEED to bring in more people for whatever reason, yet face stagnation and little job growth. Immigration is a way of producing cheap labour and forcing American's to work for less (same applies to my country). I'm not sure about American, but Canada is already full enough, and America has 8 times more people. Should America open its borders to everyone with no protection for its citizens? Should millions just come from Mexico illegally just because they jumped a fence, while others have to wait years. Should America bring in terrorism, just because a few people want to bash white people for their problems? Blame the politicans for islamic terror, not the very ideology that tells muslims to conquer the world through force (read the Quran). I'm sure its not a problem when Saudi Arabia brings in no refugees, and promotes terrorism around the globe. But when America doesn't allow in refugees, suddenly their "racist"! Same thing with all other western countries... coincidence? And nearly 30% of America is non-white (that is closer to 40% when you disregard hispanic whites, though I count them), so why are you assuming white people are scared? And hey, I mean since most of America's original immigrants where white, why not only allow them in? Sounds a bit hyprocritical to say that, but hey! 

America was founded on settlers and slave labor, not immigrants. There was no governing body and no America when the settlers came here. Immigrants are important and have undoubtedly helped the growth of our country though. Legal immigration is definitely welcome, as long as the vetting and due process is thorough and followed.

You guys are in trouble as Trudeau is pretty much opening your borders right under your noses and you guys are doing nothing about it. To be honest it greatly concerns me and we'll either have to merge or create a wall there as well.

I have no problem with small amounts of legal immigration. But America DOES NOT need one million new people a year, and even more illegally. Canada definently DOES NOT need 300,000 more people per year, plus 60-70k additional refugee's. I cannot understand how not a single political party in this country does not want to decrease immigration. If Canada was bringing some high skilled workers that we REALLY needed, then I understand. But we're way overboard with this crazy "multiculturalism" experiment. 



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).



Nevertheless, it's hard to screen unruly immigrants. The list needs to be bigger. Hell 14 years I've been away from California, and I can already see how shit people are when it comes to following simple traffic rules. They were there, but they weren't this bad. Most of the time, it's hispanics that I see who don't give a shit.

No I'm not being racist. It's actually my personal observation.



barneystinson69 said:
pray4mojo said:

The country was FOUNDED on fucking immigrants. We are suppose to be open to them all, from all countries. It's even on the fucking Statue of Liberty. You know... the whole hungry, tired and poor? Closing the borders is all about protecting scared white people. They see the changing demographics and they're scared. When white people get scared and insecure, they get racist and they do all kinds of fucked up shit. Everything from hanging people in the street for public exhibition to building walls to putting bands on muslims. 

It's all disgusting. Building walls is disgusting. Banning muslims is disgusting. Pretending that it's based on anything BUT fear and insecurity is delusion defined. 

Jesus christ, this "immigrants built this country" argument. Guess what, America was founded over 250 years ago!!!! It already has plenty of people, and is growing without immigrants, and is already a COUNTRY. I hear the same thing about Canada all the time, about how we for some reason NEED to bring in more people for whatever reason, yet face stagnation and little job growth. Immigration is a way of producing cheap labour and forcing American's to work for less (same applies to my country). I'm not sure about American, but Canada is already full enough, and America has 8 times more people. Should America open its borders to everyone with no protection for its citizens? Should millions just come from Mexico illegally just because they jumped a fence, while others have to wait years. Should America bring in terrorism, just because a few people want to bash white people for their problems? Blame the politicans for islamic terror, not the very ideology that tells muslims to conquer the world through force (read the Quran). I'm sure its not a problem when Saudi Arabia brings in no refugees, and promotes terrorism around the globe. But when America doesn't allow in refugees, suddenly their "racist"! Same thing with all other western countries... coincidence? And nearly 30% of America is non-white (that is closer to 40% when you disregard hispanic whites, though I count them), so why are you assuming white people are scared? And hey, I mean since most of America's original immigrants where white, why not only allow them in? Sounds a bit hyprocritical to say that, but hey! 

You're a racist, insecure, small minded, bigoted piece of fucking shit (I will gladly take the warning or ban for flamming/insulting you on this one) and I'm not going to engage with you any further until you can evolve as a human being. People like you can't be reasoned with (as evident by our interaction) because racism is akin to mental illness. The only way you'll wake the hell up and figure out that we (as in the human race) all need one another is when you get out of bed one day and all by yourself... figure it out. Nobody online is going to do that for you. I could try all day. I could get all Jesus on you and turn the cheek. I could offer you all kinds of peaceful words and reason with you... but it won't work because your bigotry prevents it. It's mental illness. It's cancer and it eats reason for breakfast, lunch and dinner. 

So, having said that. Get back to me privately when/if you ever come to the realization that the human race is bigger than some fucking literal and or metaphorical "wall" and I'll be glad to extend my hand. But until then, no thanks. I'm not wasting anymore time.

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