| Ruler said: Yeah because Trump is promising what he was elected for |
So did Hitler for the record.
"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides
This is bullshit. The US never was a full democracy. Downgrading it now is just a PR stunt and shows that those people don't know what they're doing.
If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.
| numberwang said: This study is pure comedy gold. |
Nobody said there was "voter fraud by the Russians" or that Russia "hacked the voting machines" (that's "fake news" from those on the right, to try and deflect what the real problem is, by saying that the "problem" is something that is verifiably not true). The issue at hand is that Russia hacked emails, and then used that information to influence people in one direction (as they have information on the RNC, but haven't released it). That is the problem.
Trump, on the other hand, is claiming of millions of illegal votes. From non-citizens, from dead people, from people registered in two or more states (ironically, several members of his administration are guilty of multiple registrations), etc.
You know there is a difference here, right? Not only on the issue, but on the evidence as well. We have evidence that Russia was behind the DNC hacks. There is no evidence of widespreads voter fraud. Especially not to the tune to 3-5 million votes. But, let's just say there were millions of illegal votes: that means that the election was illegitimate. Why does Trump keep undermining the actual integrity of the election? Other than to sooth his ego because he lost by 3 million votes.
Shadow1980 said:
You two totally forgot the triple parentheses. Can't forget that if we're going for the "international Jewish bankers" conspiracy angle, can we? You do know that the Rotschild conspiracy theories are anti-Semitic in nature, right?
"We're a republic, not a democracy," is a tired old half-truth. China, Belarus, Turkmenistan, and Zimbabwe are republics, too. You know what separates us from them? Democracy. The U.S. is a democratic republic. It has free and fair elections (for the most part; see also "Electoral College," "gerrymandering," "disenfranchisement"), and the head of state is not a monarch. A country can be a democratic republic, a democratic monarchy, a non-democratic republic, or a non-democratic monarchy. To put it in pictures:
The center of political gravity in the U.S. has shifted so far right over the past several decades that anything to the left of Reagan's policies is considered "socialism" by most conservatives and right-wingers. But by rest-of-the-world standards, the Democratic party is a centrist party with a small center-left wing, as well as a few on the center-right (Blue Dogs). And I imagine by "social controls" I assume you mean "political correctness" but not, say, "banning marijuana, same-sex marriage, and 'unpatriotic' speech." |
How is your response different from my post? I acknowledged it is Republic using a democratic process. To say it was a "full democracy" in any sense is misleading. It sounds to me like we're saying the same thing.
They are definitely right.
There are two possibilities.
a) Trump is right and several million people are voting illegally. That's a flawed democracy.
b) Trump is wrong and the highest elected official is trying to delegitimize the electoral process. Also a flawed democracy.
Shadow1980 said:
You two totally forgot the triple parentheses. Can't forget that if we're going for the "international Jewish bankers" conspiracy angle, can we? You do know that the Rotschild conspiracy theories are anti-Semitic in nature, right? |
Not from me. Rothschild is not a real jew, he is a self-declared theosophic luciferean, and has delusions that his family is related by blood to the original liar.
As for Soros, he is a atheist humanist that sold jews to the nazis when he was a teenager.
Real israelites and Israel are always in my prayer. I love them, the land belongs to them, their capitol is Jerusalem and 1948 was Ezekiel 37 fulfilled. They will never ever be defeated.
Does not matter really if you believe in evil, in God, whatever, the Rothschild do, and they do believe in a NWO, they declare it over and over again.
My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.
The US always had these issues.
It is luckily the leaders were not that crazy...
Ill take that over the modern german or french izlamistan.
Hmm, how about they call us our REAL name; A Republic.
And don't even start with that "representative democracy" nonsense. It's an obnoxiously long replacement for something much simpler to state; republic.
We have representatives. We the people don't vote on every issue (that would be expensive, exhausting, and just plain unrealistic. This isn't some small city state like Athens, this is a 320 million + populated country).
And when you have a Republic, there is no such thing as a perfect Republic. It is encouraged to have corruption and backstabbing in Republics.
I've said it before and I'll say it again that the best, most effecient and best for the people, form of government is one with a benevolent monarch, but I'm fully aware that won't happen here and it really shouldn't because finding one of those is about impossible. That being said, I'm not sure it is worse than what we have wasted our time doing for the past few decades.
Our country is becoming increasingly liberal AND conservative. You either support babies lives or you don't, you either support gay marriage or you don't, you either support government aided people or support people learning how to fend for themselves, and the list goes on. Why we don't just allow each state to govern itself and just have the federal government deal with the military, interstate issues, and foreign policy is beyond me. In order to save this country from collapsing due to an over extending gap between both factions, we HAVE to adopt Libertarinism. If California wants to allow people having sex with chickens on Tuesday nights, then that is their choice. If Florida wants to ban Syrian refugees, that is their choice. If Missouri wants to pass a law allowing anyone to punch anyone from Kansas and not be charged with assault, that is there choice. LET STATES CHOOSE!
Jokes on them, the US was never a "full democracy country", it has always been a federal republic.
On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.
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