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The Economist Just Downgraded the US From a ‘Full Democracy’ to a ‘Flawed Democracy’

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Green098 said:

Well normally in a democracy the person who gets the most votes wins and the person with the least votes loses. So 'flawed' may be a discreet way to call it.

This have always been the way in USA and a way to prevent the majority to suffocate others, as the founding fathers said if two wolfes and one lamb voted for dinner the lamb would certainly be eaten. So is that fair? For them no, so they made the system in USA.

Funny enough is how the leftwing always decide that when they don't win there isn't any democracy... but will say Cuba, Venezuela and the like are democratic countries.



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etking said:

Just another case for dishonest media reporting. Regarding democracy, absolutely nothing has changed since Obama. Democracy means power to the people and not power to the elites that control the media.

And the dishonest, biased and one-sided media reporting is a real threat for democracy. Someone once said something like 'freedom of the press is the empowerment of the rich to force their opinion and will onto the poor' which is the opposite of democracy. So in my opinion the media and Trump need to sit together and define new measurable quality standards for honest journalism that will be fair and truthful. They must still be allowed to criticise the government but not without any reason.

They need to be free to criticize the government however they want (and if using false information or just slandering then they shall be presecuted), the job of the media is to watch and criticize the government always, instead of being in bed with them like they do in some regimes and parties.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Flilix said:
Lawlight said:

You could be right about that. France, Belgium and Japan are all flawed democracies as well. France has a 2nd round election so that could be why. Hopefully the anti-Trump people can see some sense.

I live in Belgium and I think a 'flawed' democracy, like we have here, can be good too. Democracy is the best regime we have, but it's far from perfect. The majority rules in a democracy, but a lot of people have very little knowledge of politics, so they aren't really capable of deciding what's going to happen with their country.
Here in Belgium, every party gets a number of votes (there are quite a lot of parties). Then, a few parties can decide to form the government, if they together have the majority of the votes. This way, it's possible that the party with the most votes is excluded (I assume this is meant with 'a flawed democracy'). This is mostly a good thing though, since the extreme parties are excluded this way.

However, in the US, the situation is different. For example, Trump is already censoring the EPA, because the results of their studies may prove he's wrong.

Obama also issued a gag order but the US was still not deemed a flawed demogracy. I think it's the electoral college system that's caused this. I think Australia is a flawed democracy as well. It is a monarchy after all.



The US is a Republic. It uses a democratic process to elect representatives that vote and draft legislation. It was never a "Full Democracy" to begin with.



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Lawlight said:
Flilix said:

I live in Belgium and I think a 'flawed' democracy, like we have here, can be good too. Democracy is the best regime we have, but it's far from perfect. The majority rules in a democracy, but a lot of people have very little knowledge of politics, so they aren't really capable of deciding what's going to happen with their country.
Here in Belgium, every party gets a number of votes (there are quite a lot of parties). Then, a few parties can decide to form the government, if they together have the majority of the votes. This way, it's possible that the party with the most votes is excluded (I assume this is meant with 'a flawed democracy'). This is mostly a good thing though, since the extreme parties are excluded this way.

However, in the US, the situation is different. For example, Trump is already censoring the EPA, because the results of their studies may prove he's wrong.

Obama also issued a gag order but the US was still not deemed a flawed demogracy. I think it's the electoral college system that's caused this. I think Australia is a flawed democracy as well. It is a monarchy after all.

I prefer monarchies too. It's not just one person who has a lot of power (the role of kings and queens is mostly ceremonial now).



I guess they also haven't seem any problem with Obama governing by decrees and not passing throught the houses.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Aura7541 said:
Surprised that the article made no mention of how Bernie Sanders was cheated out of the primary by the DNC because that was indeed undemocratic.

THIS.

As soon as I read the title my first though was: Why did it take them this long...?

Of course, the media is interested in bashing Trum since 1. he's an asshole 2. he has openly criticized against big media corporations. But hey, US democracy was fucked up well before this: from unpunished police brutality to spying it's own citizens, from information control and manipulation by the media and the goverment to social protest repression, the US government and factual powers have been messing up with democracy from a while.

So... no big news here, just The Economist being a little late with his rankings.



Trump hasn't damaged US democracy at all. The media and the population have damaged it. Trump's just the symptom.



At least Canada is ranked higher #Team Trudeau