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Lawlight said:

$21B is still less than the yearly cost of illegal migrants in the US.

A wall won't do you shit. A large number of the illegals are here on overstayed visas. A wall can't stop that. There also hundreds of border tunnels and water ways. They will still get here regardless. 



WagnerPaiva said:
Mexico needs the US, not the other way around it. Mexico will pay the tax, the wall will keep the drug lords out, crime will decrease, life will get better.
Even Mexico will get better, cause, as drug lords get desesperate, they tend to make mistakes, get arrested and killed.
Everybody will win, except Madonna, CNN and the SJWs.

All pipe dreams. If the Cartels want there drugs here, they'll get here. They pay off customs and border agents to let them bring shit through every day. Also they fly drugs into the U.S.  



Jpcc86 said:

It should've been obvious from the start that no one but your own tax dollars are gonna pay for that wall and it should've been obvious from the start that an actual physical wall isnt gonna erradicate illegal drugs and immigration from entering the country. If anything its only alienating and antagonizing a good bussiness partner.

The wall got downgraded to a "Fence in areas" and with the USA paying for it, with the idea that "Mexico will pay it later".

As for Drugs... My own country is surrounded by Sea. It's a natural border with 1,478 miles (2,378 kilometers) between us and our closest neighbour.
We intercept boats and turn them around, have Radar etc'.
Drugs still get in, you cannot stop it, they just find other avenues to bring it in.

Drugs are very supply/demand driven, the more demand, the more that supply tries to meet that demand, thus if you cut off the drug trade with Mexico, the drug trade with Canada/home-grown efforts will simply increase to compensate.

You need to attack the drug problem from both ends, reduce the demand with education, rehab. etc'. And reduce the supply at the same time, you still won't eliminate it though.

BraLoD said:

The article I read right now was 12 to 15 billion... great, it's already increasing.

You could reduce the cost if you got Mexicans to build it. :P

Snoopy said:

That might actually force Mexico to pay for it. They have to trade with US or else they will be done for.

Or they could do what other countries do. Increase trade with other countries instead, the world is not only larger than the USA, but also a larger economy overall.
South America and in particular Brazil could be a bright spot for Mexico going forward.

Australia had declining trade with the USA for years, so we got closer with China... And the end result is, we didn't go into recession during the Financial Crisis because we weren't reliant on them.
Now with our Manufacturing having imploded, resources in decline our economy is starting to transition again and looking towards Indonesia, Vietnam and other emerging economies for leverage.

I am interested to see what Tariffs will do to consumer prices in the USA though, Video games and consoles should increase in price for example, you might start looking at $80 a game rather than $60.



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Alkibiádēs said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Mexico needs us more than we need them.

Much of their people wanna be in the US on top of that. So whatever, US isnt the problem here.

So they deserve to be treated like crap for that? Lol. 

I wonder if you'll still say that when Trump angers China and it causes a trade war or even worse. I hope you like expensive products, if you no longer want to rely on countries like Mexico or China. And by expensive I mean REALLY expensive. 

We aren't treating Mexico like crap. They've been a burden in many ways and we have a right to secure our border.

I'm not saying we shouldn't trade with Mexico (that would hurt Mexico more), many of us simply want to secure the border and perhaps keep track of who's actually in this country. Its a financial issue and a safety issue. Obama threw out millions of criminal illegals, its a serious issue that needs to be addressed better.

Its just a pride thing, Mexico doesn't want to look weak by paying for a wall. But it'll probably be figured out via taxes. Again, Mexico needs us.



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Lawlight said:

$21B is still less than the yearly cost of illegal migrants in the US.

A wall won't do you shit. A large number of the illegals are here on overstayed visas. A wall can't stop that. There also hundreds of border tunnels and water ways. They will still get here regardless. 

You don't just build a wall and the job is done. You build the wall and enforce existing laws, maybe go after sanctuary cities as well.

I keep explaining this to left wingers, the wall is just part of it.



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Mr Puggsly said:
FIT_Gamer said:

A wall won't do you shit. A large number of the illegals are here on overstayed visas. A wall can't stop that. There also hundreds of border tunnels and water ways. They will still get here regardless. 

You don't just build a wall and the job is done. You build the wall and enforce existing laws, maybe go after sanctuary cities as well.

I keep explaining this to left wingers, the wall is just part of it.

Well said.



Wow and the people sticking up for TRump...LOL The wall is not going to stop shit, you are wasting our tax dollars on basically something that will do nothing to stop anyone from coming in. They have Tunnels, can go around or even over. I mean how hard is this. Also this wall will be a massive target for those saying f' you to Trump. So are we going to do year around Non-stop fixes to something that clearly is for those among us who don't understand that this will do nothing to stop immigration.

Also the Immigration to this country has been net zero for many years. Literally it's not an issue but don't let that stop your racism. I keep telling right wingers this but they can't seem to grasp this