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Trunkin on 22 January 2017
pokoko said:
I agree, for the most part, though I think you're giving Nintendo a bit too much credit. They've shown before that they're perfectly willing to repeat the mistakes of the past. They're also content to focus on Japan, even though they sale their products globally.

That being said, even though Nintendo is still doing some odd things, the Switch has the big guns of Nintendo home consoles joined with the large and varied library of Nintendo handheld consoles. As a plus, I assume it will also catch some of the development studios who worked on the PSP/Vita.

In theory, it should be the best Nintendo console of the last few generations in terms of total content.

If Nintendo is smart, which I I believe they are, they'll fix their handling of Western markets. I do recall Iwata admitting that their understanding in this area was a problem; hopefully someone in the company took that to heart.

Green098 said:

I think the problem when people say the Switch will do worse than the Wii U is, they fail to take in account the 60+ million 3DS users which are all Nintendo fans. What happened with the 3DS and Wii U is that they chose the 3DS over the Wii U and with the Switch being a hybrid and Nintendo's only platform they no longer have this choice to choose from.

And that's exactly why the Switch had to be a hybrid, or a dedicated handheld. Releasing a powerful console and handheld but trying to support them both just wasn't going to work out. Sony already tried, and failed.

NightDragon83 said:
The Switch has a much better outlook than the Wii U at the moment judging by the enthusiasm and pre-release hype for it.

But as I've said in other threads, if the Switch turns out to be yet another console supported strictly by Nintendo and their close partners, and the new gimmick of the enhanced rumble / motion controls fails to catch on the same way the Wii U's game pad did, then we could be looking at another Wii U situation a year or two down the road.

This is now the third time in a row Nintendo has launched an underpowered console coupled with a new controller gimmick that tries to appeal to non-traditional gamers at the expense of "core" gamers. Nintendo's fanbase alone can't support it forever.

That's the thing. The Switch is designed to appeal to both traditional and non-traditional gamers. Both handheld and console. Online and local multiplayer. Motion controls and joysticks. It's pretty much the best of all worlds when it comes to actual control schemes, and I expect the games to reflect that.

bunchanumbers said:
I predicted around 40m. I think it will be a tough sale. It has no functionality outside of games which means it won't replace the tablets kids already have. It has a $300 price tag which isn't a casual price, and peripherals and games are outrageously priced.

Nintendo has been chasing the blue ocean for a decade now. Some with success and some with failure. I don't think that this will be the big success people think it will be.

It launches with no functionality outside of games and a $300 price, but it does not have to stay that way. I think the Switch's success is really dependent on Nintendo's ability to roll with the punches.

Plus it's not really blue ocean. Just the next logical step for Nintendo hardware.



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bunchanumbers on 22 January 2017
Trunkin said:
pokoko said:
I agree, for the most part, though I think you're giving Nintendo a bit too much credit. They've shown before that they're perfectly willing to repeat the mistakes of the past. They're also content to focus on Japan, even though they sale their products globally.

That being said, even though Nintendo is still doing some odd things, the Switch has the big guns of Nintendo home consoles joined with the large and varied library of Nintendo handheld consoles. As a plus, I assume it will also catch some of the development studios who worked on the PSP/Vita.

In theory, it should be the best Nintendo console of the last few generations in terms of total content.

If Nintendo is smart, which I I believe they are, they'll fix their handling of Western markets. I do recall Iwata admitting that their understanding in this area was a problem; hopefully someone in the company took that to heart.

Green098 said:

I think the problem when people say the Switch will do worse than the Wii U is, they fail to take in account the 60+ million 3DS users which are all Nintendo fans. What happened with the 3DS and Wii U is that they chose the 3DS over the Wii U and with the Switch being a hybrid and Nintendo's only platform they no longer have this choice to choose from.

And that's exactly why the Switch had to be a hybrid, or a dedicated handheld. Releasing a powerful console and handheld but trying to support them both just wasn't going to work out. Sony already tried, and failed.

NightDragon83 said:
The Switch has a much better outlook than the Wii U at the moment judging by the enthusiasm and pre-release hype for it.

But as I've said in other threads, if the Switch turns out to be yet another console supported strictly by Nintendo and their close partners, and the new gimmick of the enhanced rumble / motion controls fails to catch on the same way the Wii U's game pad did, then we could be looking at another Wii U situation a year or two down the road.

This is now the third time in a row Nintendo has launched an underpowered console coupled with a new controller gimmick that tries to appeal to non-traditional gamers at the expense of "core" gamers. Nintendo's fanbase alone can't support it forever.

That's the thing. The Switch is designed to appeal to both traditional and non-traditional gamers. Both handheld and console. Online and local multiplayer. Motion controls and joysticks. It's pretty much the best of all worlds when it comes to actual control schemes, and I expect the games to reflect that.

bunchanumbers said:
I predicted around 40m. I think it will be a tough sale. It has no functionality outside of games which means it won't replace the tablets kids already have. It has a $300 price tag which isn't a casual price, and peripherals and games are outrageously priced.

Nintendo has been chasing the blue ocean for a decade now. Some with success and some with failure. I don't think that this will be the big success people think it will be.

It launches with no functionality outside of games and a $300 price, but it does not have to stay that way. I think the Switch's success is really dependent on Nintendo's ability to roll with the punches.

Plus it's not really blue ocean. Just the next logical step for Nintendo hardware.

You're going to have to tell Nintendo its not a blue ocean. They still call it that. Nintendo needs to be adaptable if they are going to have any chance at success. They need to be the tablet that replaces the other tablets. They need far more functionality than they have at launch and they need to be sensible about prices. They are doing none of these right now.



bdbdbd on 22 January 2017

I do agree that Switch isn't another Wii U. But I don't get the 3rd party support argument: the two Nintendo home consoles with the best third party support at launch, were Gamecube and Wii U. So, which is it. Is Switch's 3rd party support as good as Wii U's, or is it as bad as Wii's? 

Green098 said:

I think the problem when people say the Switch will do worse than the Wii U is, they fail to take in account the 60+ million 3DS users which are all Nintendo fans. What happened with the 3DS and Wii U is that they chose the 3DS over the Wii U and with the Switch being a hybrid and Nintendo's only platform they no longer have this choice to choose from.

Are they? I'd say a significant portion of the 60 million 3DS owners are kids. Maybe they have Playstations or Xboxes as home consoles, I'm quite sure all of them do not have Wii U's. 3DS isn't really reaching beyond the traditional gaming audience, so one might expect overlap between userbases.



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d21lewis on 22 January 2017

My biggest worry is that Android tablets are so powerful nowadays. Could someone swoop in and basically make the same thing except with the Google Play Store? Because that would kill the Switch.

Hell, make a controller mod for my Moto Z Force.
*I know some devices can use a controller. I'm taking about using one without any extra effort on the consumers part*



Green098 on 22 January 2017
Snoopy said:
The switch will fail because it has no 3rd party support. End of story and move on.

The Switch needs third party support no doubt about that, but it does not need the third party support of the PS4 or Xbox One. The 3rd party support the Switch needs is the same of the 3DS. Specific titles made from the ground up for that system that utilizes its strongest features. For example games like Kingdom Hearts 3D, Monster Hunter 4 and even well done ports (even if not as graphically impressive as on other hardware) will be great as they are portable versions that people can take anywhere only on Nintendo Switch.



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Pyro as Bill on 22 January 2017
bunchanumbers said:
I predicted around 40m. I think it will be a tough sale. It has no functionality outside of games which means it won't replace the tablets kids already have. It has a $300 price tag which isn't a casual price, and peripherals and games are outrageously priced.

Nintendo has been chasing the blue ocean for a decade now. Some with success and some with failure. I don't think that this will be the big success people think it will be.

Add screen mirroring to Switch and kids can leave the tablet in the corner on charge. Relegate Video/Music to another device where they belong.

edit: simple touchscreen games are red ocean now. It's time to see who wants more than simple touch controls.



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d21lewis on 22 January 2017
spurgeonryan said:
Snoopy said:
The switch will fail because it has no 3rd party support. End of story and move on.

EA is on board! What else could Nintendo need other than Capcom fully on board.

They have 2K Sports so I'm more than happy. Now give me WWE 2K18, dammit!



Trunkin on 22 January 2017
bunchanumbers said:
Trunkin said:

It launches with no functionality outside of games and a $300 price, but it does not have to stay that way. I think the Switch's success is really dependent on Nintendo's ability to roll with the punches.

Plus it's not really blue ocean. Just the next logical step for Nintendo hardware.

You're going to have to tell Nintendo its not a blue ocean. They still call it that. Nintendo needs to be adaptable if they are going to have any chance at success. They need to be the tablet that replaces the other tablets. They need far more functionality than they have at launch and they need to be sensible about prices. They are doing none of these right now.

They...they do?

But yes, I've been a proponent of Nntendo making the Switch into a fully functional tablet, and gotta admit I was disappointed to hear that it does nothing but games at launch. All they really needed to start with were a few Social Media apps, Youtube, Netflix, and a web browser. The fact that they couldn't even have these ready for launch I think proves that they're rushing to have the system out before the end of the fiscal year. 

Either way, due to the importance of the Switch for Nintendo, I'm fairly certain they'll be constantly adding functionality to make it a more attractive purchase, especially if it runs into sales trouble after launch -- which I kind of expect to happen, tbh.

d21lewis said:
My biggest worry is that Android tablets are so powerful nowadays. Could someone swoop in and basically make the same thing except with the Google Play Store? Because that would kill the Switch.

Hell, make a controller mod for my Moto Z Force.
*I know some devices can use a controller. I'm taking about using one without any extra effort on the consumers part*

Someone could make the same thing, but without the advantage of some kind of physical game storage medium and a strong First Party, would have a hard time winning over most "hard core" gamers. That's still probably why Nintendo was so secretive about the idea to start with, though. They didn't want someone coming in and stealing their thunder before they could even unveil their device.



justiceiro on 22 January 2017

No, no, definitivily not wiiu.

Wiiu had miiverse

Wiiu hard as many ports as possible at launch

Wiiu had free online

Wiiu had multimedia capabilities

Wiiu was coming after a highly successfull console

Switch has nothing of those.

People compared wiiu to dreamcast. Well, wrong, it was more comparable to saturn. Switch will be the fair comparisson to dreamcast.




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Today most hardware design is left to other companies, but when you make hardware without taking into account the needs of the eventual software developers, you end up with bloated hardware full of pointless excess. From the outset one must consider design from both a hardware and software perspective."

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bdbdbd on 22 January 2017
Trunkin said:
pokoko said:
I agree, for the most part, though I think you're giving Nintendo a bit too much credit. They've shown before that they're perfectly willing to repeat the mistakes of the past. They're also content to focus on Japan, even though they sale their products globally.

That being said, even though Nintendo is still doing some odd things, the Switch has the big guns of Nintendo home consoles joined with the large and varied library of Nintendo handheld consoles. As a plus, I assume it will also catch some of the development studios who worked on the PSP/Vita.

In theory, it should be the best Nintendo console of the last few generations in terms of total content.

If Nintendo is smart, which I I believe they are, they'll fix their handling of Western markets. I do recall Iwata admitting that their understanding in this area was a problem; hopefully someone in the company took that to heart.

Green098 said:

I think the problem when people say the Switch will do worse than the Wii U is, they fail to take in account the 60+ million 3DS users which are all Nintendo fans. What happened with the 3DS and Wii U is that they chose the 3DS over the Wii U and with the Switch being a hybrid and Nintendo's only platform they no longer have this choice to choose from.

And that's exactly why the Switch had to be a hybrid, or a dedicated handheld. Releasing a powerful console and handheld but trying to support them both just wasn't going to work out. Sony already tried, and failed.

NightDragon83 said:
The Switch has a much better outlook than the Wii U at the moment judging by the enthusiasm and pre-release hype for it.

But as I've said in other threads, if the Switch turns out to be yet another console supported strictly by Nintendo and their close partners, and the new gimmick of the enhanced rumble / motion controls fails to catch on the same way the Wii U's game pad did, then we could be looking at another Wii U situation a year or two down the road.

This is now the third time in a row Nintendo has launched an underpowered console coupled with a new controller gimmick that tries to appeal to non-traditional gamers at the expense of "core" gamers. Nintendo's fanbase alone can't support it forever.

That's the thing. The Switch is designed to appeal to both traditional and non-traditional gamers. Both handheld and console. Online and local multiplayer. Motion controls and joysticks. It's pretty much the best of all worlds when it comes to actual control schemes, and I expect the games to reflect that.

bunchanumbers said:
I predicted around 40m. I think it will be a tough sale. It has no functionality outside of games which means it won't replace the tablets kids already have. It has a $300 price tag which isn't a casual price, and peripherals and games are outrageously priced.

Nintendo has been chasing the blue ocean for a decade now. Some with success and some with failure. I don't think that this will be the big success people think it will be.

It launches with no functionality outside of games and a $300 price, but it does not have to stay that way. I think the Switch's success is really dependent on Nintendo's ability to roll with the punches.

Plus it's not really blue ocean. Just the next logical step for Nintendo hardware.

How it seems currently, Switch is pretty much an blue ocean product, as nobody else seems to be interested in making games for the oldschool. Notice also the price of pretty much everything on Switch. It is because the people in their 30's and 40's generally make more money than teenagers or people in their twenties, which is the target market for the AAA industry.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.