Very relevant question.
Makes sense: fanbases for exclusives are big but for pretty clear reason, fanbases for multiplats are even bigger.
Sort of why I wouldn't mind Nintendo going third party: I want their games on PC and for millions more people to be able to play them.
Snoopy said:
Exactly, do you think the average joe care about a lot of these niche Japanese games too? I remember seeing that disagea game flopping really hard and it will probably flop hard on the switch. Why shouldn't Microsoft focus their efforts on giving the best experience on third party games since they sell the most and what most people buy. They can leverage off of power to make games run and look better and leverage off of xbox live as the best network and possibly the controller since I know a lot of people prefer the controller. The 360 sold well because of third party games. Halo and Gears did well, but outside of that third party games ruled the day. |
disgaea flopping hard lol that game could sell 5 thousand copies and make a profit lol you don't make 4 sequels and multiple spin offs to flops you know lmao
Snoopy said:
I just looked at the top 30 exclusives on the ps4. Outside of remasters, uncharted 4 was the only one in the top 30. It seems most people don't even care for ps4 exclusives outside of forums. |
How many PS4/PS4 Slim/PS4 Pro gamers out of almost 55M are new to the Sony platform? How many of them skipped PS2/3? I've never owned PS1-3. I bought PS4 Slim specifically for existing and future exclusives.
Also, how are you defining core and casual gamers? If I buy 2-4 PS4 exclusives a year, I consider myself a causal console gamer. For me someone who sinks 100s of hours into COD/FIFA/Madden/Assassin's Creed/Battlefield 1/Borderlands/Destiny/GTA V/The Witcher 3/SW Battlefront/Minecraft is a hardcore console gamer. For me, exclusives make consoles more appealing for casual console gamers but that makes no sense since plenty of hardcore console gamers also own Sony exclusives. Therefore, the definition of casual vs. hardcore gamer doesn't appear universal. To me anyone who is hardcore about gaming is playing most 3rd party games on the PC and exclusives on consoles, but to you this would be a casual gamer since his collection of console games would be very small after 5-6 years compared to yours since you don't game on the PC.
Don't you think a lot more Sony/Nintendo/PC owners would consider XB if it had 10-20 excellent exclusives? 4K gaming isn't going to be enough of an incentive to get Nintendo/Sony owners/fan said to join the Xbox eco-system.
I see it like Freeview, Netflix, Amazon Prime etc.
Freeview offers the most channels and content and some of it can be big blockbuster shows and movies, but a lot of people want those extra options to watch.
That extra could be anime, comedy, blockbusters, bmovies, cartoons etc. Some of it might even be shit like Miranda, cheap ass Adam Sandler movies, but these people exist and have their needs. You could argue to just stick with Freeview and be done with it, but when people who have the option to have more find the option, they will Switch.
Like Snoopy says, not everyone buys exclusives as much as some big 3Rd party games, but the exclusives justify the purchase when in drought season and you haven't got much to play. They justify the purchase when they are big hitters like Halo or Uncharted.
I usually play around 25-30 games a year ranging from indie to AAA. 3Rd party won't be enough to satisfy my needs.
Essentially, exclusives help justify the purchase of a console by enticing gamers with their library. Bosman I think makes the point much better.
https://youtu.be/9bV8bZ053Aw
| Jazz2K said: People on forums put too much weight on exclusives imo. While they are very important, the vast majority of those who buy consoles don't look for exclusive games but for specific games and those games usually are third party like Call of Duty, Fifa, GTA, Assassin's Creed etc. Most don't care/know about the exclusives. The advantage to have exclusives is that on top of having the mainstream, you also have the hardcore gamers. There is a reason why exclusives don't sell as much as multiplats and it's because they are mostly unknown IPs to the masses. People are not going to fork 60$ on an unknown product. You can build a large fanbase around your exclusives though. Sony had a lot of success with games like Gran Turismo, Uncharted and God of War. Just like Microsoft had a lot of success with Gears, Halo and Forza. As long as the console gets the blockbuster third parties people will buy these consoles without knowing about the exclusives at first. There are also other incentives to choose one over the other like brand recognition, power under the hood, good/bad press or simply getting the one your friends have. All of these are more important than exclusives because word of mouth is key in selling consoles as hardcore gamers will either praise or downplay your console for free and I still believe that's basically what happened this gen. Exclusives had little impact imo. |
I feel the same way. You said it better than I could have.
You keep talking about the average Joe in the hope that gives credibility to your argument ... so I'll play along. The Average Joe doesn't care about power either so they'll go for the console that's currently the 'in thing' or the console their friends are playing on. If people want to talk about Joe Blogs then they'd better be aware it doesn't serve their argument well.
1 Joe Blog picks PS4
2 Informed gamers pick PS4
3 Those interested in PS4 exclusives pick PS4
4 Those looking for a bigger library pick PS4
5 Those people who like 'niche' titles pick PS4
6 Those people interested in XB1 exclusives pick XB1.
Unfortunately 3 and 6 no longer count ...
The PS5 Exists.
| GribbleGrunger said: You keep talking about the average Joe in the hope that gives credibility to your argument ... so I'll play along. The Average Joe doesn't care about power either so they'll go for the console that's currently the 'in thing' or the console their friends are playing on. If people want to talk about Joe Blogs then they'd better be aware it doesn't serve their argument well. 1 Joe Blog picks PS4 Unfortunately 3 and 6 no longer count ... |
The problem with this is that you put exclusives as the only positive value on Xbox side. How about adding other things like online experience, media experience, controllers and other devices etc.
1 - Hope he likes his purchase
2 - Informed gamers can also get other consoles than PS4. I wouldn't consider myself as someone that isn't informed as it's a huge part of my job yet I still choose Xbox over Playstation.
3 - Of course
4 - I think they could go for PC as well but ehh!
5 - This one is touchy. There are niche titles on every platforms. Just because PS has more than Xbox doesn't put PS as default winner especially if that person looks for specific games. Someone could want games like Cup Head and grab Xbox instead.
6 - Of course
7 - Like stated above there are many more reasons why someone would choose a console over the other.
| Jazz2K said: The problem with this is that you put exclusives as the only positive value on Xbox side. How about adding other things like online experience, media experience, controllers and other devices etc. 1 - Hope he likes his purchase 2 - Informed gamers can also get other consoles than PS4. I wouldn't consider myself as someone that isn't informed as it's a huge part of my job yet I still choose Xbox over Playstation. 3 - Of course 4 - I think they could go for PC as well but ehh! 5 - This one is touchy. There are niche titles on every platforms. Just because PS has more than Xbox doesn't put PS as default winner especially if that person looks for specific games. Someone could want games like Cup Head and grab Xbox instead. 6 - Of course 7 - Like stated above there are many more reasons why someone would choose a console over the other. |
This is a thread arguing that exclusive games don't matter, so forgive me for building my argument around that notion.
The PS5 Exists.
GribbleGrunger said:
This is a thread arguing that exclusive games don't matter, so forgive me for building my argument around that notion. |
I know it's about exclusive games but if you read the OP he states that exclusives aren't as important as forum goers want you to believe. I think he is part right because there are many more reasons why someone would choose a console over the other that have nothing to do with exclusives. Of course if you only value exclusive yes but that's your reality not everyone's.
If they want to differentiate, they need exclusive games that other consoles won't have
Exclusives aren't everything, but they do play a big role in sales
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