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Hynad on 19 January 2017
maxleresistant said:

 Nintendo never confirmed the 1080p. 

Indeed. In fact, Nintendo confirmed the game will be 900p running at 30fps. 



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Mr Puggsly on 19 January 2017
SubiyaCryolite said:

At least "Teh Cell" eventually lived up to its expectations.

Uhm... no. Even at its best PS3 games were at par with 360. Not significnatly better if at all, just at par.

Sony should have used in a cheaper CPU and a better GPU. You know... like PS4.



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Ck1x on 19 January 2017
maxleresistant said:
Ck1x said:

Funny that you should say this because after watching many YouTuber's videos on the NYC Switch event, most if not all off the ones I've seen stated that BoTW seemed to run even better in handheld mode. Also we now know from Aonuma's interview with Eurogamer that BoTW was only decided to come to the Switch last April, which really makes this game nothing more than a WiiU port.

It's not in anyway indicative of what actual games created for the Switch from the ground up will look or run like overall. Plus there's a quote from a Nintendo rep that they are still targeting 1080p for the docked launch of Zelda. As far as the CPU being weaker than the XbOne, enough people on NeoGaf have done breakdowns of showing how Arm cpu's can compete with the Jaguar setup in the XbOne and PS4.

Nobody said it BOTW runs better, they said the game is more beautiful on the screen rather than the TV, because the small size of the screens helps hiding problems like the lack of Anti Aliasing. Also it's always more impressive to see the same game run on a handheld, it's kind of a Wow Factor, the Switch is the most powerful handheld ever made, so of course people are impressed to see a true home console Zelda run on a handheld.

What you call a "rep" is a dude that is hired from agencies to be at events and great and host, they know pratically nothing besides their personnal knowledge and what Nintendo told them before the event. Nintendo never confirmed the 1080p. 

And finally, no, the Arm Cpu can't compete, not without a proper cooling, this is a handheld, it's small, the cooling fan is small too. Yes on paper the cpu cool compete, if the Switch was a normal console, it the components were in something the size and shape of a WiiU, with a proper powersource, they could draw a lot more power from the components. But it's not the case.

So again, go back to earth, Switch is underpowered as a home system. It's the reality. There is nothing more to say about it.

Not sure where you get your information from but their are actual cpu benchmarks that show core for core Arm a72 let alone a57 cpu's have better performance than that of Jaguar cores. I know you're just being defensive when talking about the Nintendo rep stuff, because I've watched enough Tree house live to know that I've seen some of those people playing games on the show.

No one is claiming that it's equal in power to that of XbOne or PS4, but you stated that the handheld mode would hold the system back. We are simply telling you of instances where people playing on the device haven't noticed that to be a problem. Of course we will have to wait until more games that aren't ports are shown running on the hardware...



Mr Puggsly on 19 January 2017
S.T.A.G.E. said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

This is HILARIOUS!

With that logic, Nintendo will never get full AAA third party support. 

I think they gave up on that back in... 2006.



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FunFan on 19 January 2017
Ck1x said:
FunFan said:

Actually, you can know the core count of any chip, compared to another chip, by the weight asuming you know the core count of that second chip. But only if you put the chips on your head because thats the best part of the body to calculate differences in weight.

I think he is basing it on the part that sais " *A much powerful version, producing 2000x units for now *The core is 1x times bigger than the one above,200m㎡". Apparently some people think is a November 2016 devkit update. The source is just too confusing in its wording, so who knows how the OP and everyone else interprets it.

 

At the OP. You are lucky Pemalite is not here to kick your butt for your overreliance on Terraflops to measure performance.

I know Traktor over at NeoGaf brought up a great point of this much larger devkit fitting the role of Nintendo's SCD patent perfectly. Whether we hear anymore information on if this is something they are actually pursuing is another thing all together, but it definitely brought up a lot of conversation concerning this leak.

The Foxconn worker also describes the core being much larger than the original Switch SoC and that it was a GPU core only. Which speculation started that because of the dimensions the leakers gives, it fits that of a gtx 1060 chip exactly! So it brought only more questions that if he got everything so accurate, what is the purpose of this new devkit that not only has the screen interface but the original Switch SOC, plus the much larger  gtx 1060 core... Maybe we will hear something from Nintendo down the road or maybe they are just testing ideas, not sure at this point.

So it would use the Switch cpus with the SCD gpu. Maybe the Switch GPUs too.



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VGPolyglot on 19 January 2017
vivster said:
I don't play specs, I play games. And apparently I'm still playing 900p 30fps games in 2017.

I'm still playing 240p whatever-FPS games on the PS1 and N64 in 2017.



Ck1x on 19 January 2017
FunFan said:
Ck1x said:

I know Traktor over at NeoGaf brought up a great point of this much larger devkit fitting the role of Nintendo's SCD patent perfectly. Whether we hear anymore information on if this is something they are actually pursuing is another thing all together, but it definitely brought up a lot of conversation concerning this leak.

The Foxconn worker also describes the core being much larger than the original Switch SoC and that it was a GPU core only. Which speculation started that because of the dimensions the leakers gives, it fits that of a gtx 1060 chip exactly! So it brought only more questions that if he got everything so accurate, what is the purpose of this new devkit that not only has the screen interface but the original Switch SOC, plus the much larger  gtx 1060 core... Maybe we will hear something from Nintendo down the road or maybe they are just testing ideas, not sure at this point.

So it would use the Switch cpus with the SCD gpu. Maybe the Switch GPUs too.

Yes and I tend to believe it would work the way that Traktor speculates, in it being a whole new more powerful replacement dock that the Switch unit slides into. I'm guessing more of an option for higher performance mainly when the system is docked or something like that.



vivster on 19 January 2017
VGPolyglot said:
vivster said:
I don't play specs, I play games. And apparently I'm still playing 900p 30fps games in 2017.

I'm still playing 240p whatever-FPS games on the PS1 and N64 in 2017.

My condolences.



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FunFan on 19 January 2017
Ck1x said:
FunFan said:

So it would use the Switch cpus with the SCD gpu. Maybe the Switch GPUs too.

Yes and I tend to believe it would work the way that Traktor speculates, in it being a whole new more powerful replacement dock that the Switch unit slides into. I'm guessing more of an option for higher performance mainly when the system is docked or something like that.

Well thats what people believed the current dock woul do. But I prefer they sell them separate, for those who dont care about the extra hardware.



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SmileyAja on 19 January 2017

The Traktor speculation about the additional docks with GPUs is impossible, all external GPU docks you see around use Thunderbolt 3, which is based off USB-C but is improved and faster, it's 40gbps compared to 10gbps, and the Switch won't be using Thunderbolt, IIRC the nVidia tech isn't compatible with Thunderbolt anyways, so that's a no go.

Now OP's in the ballpark but he doesn't specify his calculations, here's one on Reddit that does a better job of explaining this type of performance;

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/5jlbub/clock_speeds_power_efficiency_and_why_the/

We'll probably be seeing closer 750 GFLOPS though (as the P1 can do that max), but time will tell. This is using a die shrink of Maxwell and not full on Pascal for a "worst" case scenario.