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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Horizon and Zelda... a week apart? Will BOTW be overshadowed by the new Sony IP.

 

I will be playing...

Both Horizon: ZD and BOTW. 114 10.18%
 
Just Horizon. 290 25.89%
 
Just BOTW. 520 46.43%
 
I'm going to wait to see... 33 2.95%
 
BOTW first then Horizon. 120 10.71%
 
Horizon first then BOTW. 43 3.84%
 
Total:1,120
xl-klaudkil said:
Kai_Mao said:

Well as you said, it's your opinion. However, most probably don't think that. I mean, why did a crowd of people RUSH to play BoTW at E3? Not sure if I heard anything like that before at such a convention (one mentioned that it hasn't happened since the unveiling of the Wii at E3). Zelda is highly regarded and respected and even devs have admitted finding influence from Zelda over the years. Kinda like talking about the Beatles. You may think they're overrated, but you can't deny how much they've paved the way 

Not  saying  zelda  won't  be amazing  but, it cannot  reach  10' graphics  are not a 10,horizon  destroys zelda's graphics.

Not to detract from your previous points, but stuff like this is just silly. Of course, it's undeniable that Horizon has stuff like better textures and resolution etc, but saying that Zelda therefore can't get a 10 is like saying that an 8k computer background will be more beloved than the Mona Lisa. The 8k background, while having more detail and colours, will eventually be outclassed and forgotten while the Mona Lisa will still be remembered because of its artstyle and craft.

 

But really, the true measurment is gameplay regardless.



 

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Nothing they said was out of line. Both games are great and luckily both games are coming out close to one another in a period that is filled with the most wanted titles of the year. Mass Effect, Zelda and Horizon? February/March is/was hype that delivers.



xl-klaudkil said:
Kai_Mao said:

Well as you said, it's your opinion. However, most probably don't think that. I mean, why did a crowd of people RUSH to play BoTW at E3? Not sure if I heard anything like that before at such a convention (one mentioned that it hasn't happened since the unveiling of the Wii at E3). Zelda is highly regarded and respected and even devs have admitted finding influence from Zelda over the years. Kinda like talking about the Beatles. You may think they're overrated, but you can't deny how much they've paved the way for others.

Nintendo  fans are a bit older  and grew up with  games compared  to younger  PlayStation  fans.

 

Sony  invest in a lot of different  ips and tries not to use them  for 25 years.

 

If you read " zelda at least  will get a 9" it means people  are already  biased.(fanboys)

 

Not  saying  zelda  won't  be amazing  but, it cannot  reach  10' graphics  are not a 10,horizon  destroys zelda's graphics.

So you're saying that fanboys are the ones saying Zelda will get a 9? All I know is that that I trust EAD to make great games and they have not let me down, personally. I don't know what else to say to that. I dislike hearing such thing because we're making excuses on why certain games get certain scores. I mean, the PSM3 gave Uncharted 2 a 21/20 score back in the day. Are we to believe it's not biased to get a point above the maximum from a PlayStation magazine? There are fanboys on all sides.

It's a difference in philosophy in usage of IPs between Nintendo and Sony. No one is better than the other. People like new IPs, but there is a great reason why Pokemon, Zelda, Mario, Kirby, DK, Smash, Kart, etc. continue to have installments. They're great games fans want to continue having. Why do you think people swarmed to try out the new Zelda after such a long dev history and after the first full trailer back at E3 2016? Why do you think people flip their $&@% when they say Mario, Mega Man, Sonic, and Pac-Man in Smash?

And if graphics are 2/3 of what games should be reviewed upon, then maybe you have a point. But they're video games, so a pretty good amount of the review should be based upon gameplay, level and environmental design, and the amount of content available that can provide hours and hours of gameplay, controls, and even the physics. And even if BoTW has "only" HD graphics compared to 4K and such, are we really gonna raise the bar on how games SHOULD look? I'm not gonna knock BoTW for only having HD graphics because I've seen Mario Kart 8's graphics in person and they look pretty darn good. Plus, the Wind Waker has been praise for having graphics and art direction that are not as outdated compared to other games of its time and even after. Also, why do you think an SD game like Super Mario Galaxy (and it's sequel) remains one of the highest scoring games of all-time with numerous GoTY awards during the HD era and in the year 2007 (with games like Bioshock, Modern Warfare, Mass Effect, and Metroid Prime 3 were released at that time)? Sure, BoTW is not 4K and what not, but does it have to be for the game to have an overall score of 10?



The only Point where Horizon is much stronger is graphics. Thats all. If you make a game which has perfect graphics but has nothing to play the game again and again over and over again, it is a 88 at meta. Just graphics is nothing. Thats why so many indie games are so fun. Like rocket league. If rocket league would look like the 16bit era, it it would be still a great game. Or overwatch, wow and hearthstone. So many mmoprgs perfect graphics come and go. No one could beat wow for so many years. Zelda is the same. Graphics dont matter. If Guerilla games wouldnt invest so much money for graphics they could hire devolopers to implement new game mechanics. But no. It is that stupid horsepower fanbase which pushes the devs for the graphics and not for new twists or game mechanics. HZD vs Zelda= 200MP Camera Photo vs Hand drawn Picasso Picture. That is the difference.

 

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xl-klaudkil said:
Kai_Mao said:

Well as you said, it's your op4ion. However, most probably don't think that. I mean, why did a crowd of people RUSH to play BoTW at E3? Not sure if I heard anything like that before at such a convention (one mentioned that it hasn't happened since the unveiling of the Wii at E3). Zelda is highly regarded and respected and even devs have admitted finding influence from Zelda over the years. Kinda like talking about the Beatles. You may think they're overrated, but you can't deny how much they've paved the way for others.

Nintendo  fans are a bit older  and grew up with  games compared  to younger  PlayStation  fans.

 

Sony  invest in a lot of different  ips and tries not to use them  for 25 years.

 

If you read " zelda at least  will get a 9" it means people  are already  biased.(fanboys)

 

Not  saying  zelda  won't  be amazing  but, it cannot  reach  10' graphics  are not a 10,horizon  destroys zelda's graphics.

No shit. Zelda runs on a Switch, Horizon on a PS4. If Zelda had better graphics, it'd speak badly about Horizon. Let's deduct points fron Horizon too, becuse there're better looking games in high-end computers, and it doesn't reach 4k then! 

Please, don't be unrealistic. Zelda graphics and scale of the world are pretty impressive on a WiiU/Switch. That's the platform you have to reference, PS4 is more powered, and the comparison with a PS4 game is silly imho.

And, well, art style is gorgeous is BOTW. Also, graphics mean nothing to me if the gameplay, exploration, combat and setting are good as hell.

But, well, this debate also means nothing to me. I'll play both games, and I hope both are awesome.



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Volterra_90 said:
xl-klaudkil said:

Nintendo  fans are a bit older  and grew up with  games compared  to younger  PlayStation  fans.

 

Sony  invest in a lot of different  ips and tries not to use them  for 25 years.

 

If you read " zelda at least  will get a 9" it means people  are already  biased.(fanboys)

 

Not  saying  zelda  won't  be amazing  but, it cannot  reach  10' graphics  are not a 10,horizon  destroys zelda's graphics.

No shit. Zelda runs on a Switch, Horizon on a PS4. If Zelda had better graphics, it'd speak badly about Horizon. Let's deduct points fron Horizon too, becuse there're better looking games in high-end computers, and it doesn't reach 4k then! 

Please, don't be unrealistic. Zelda graphics and scale of the world are pretty impressive on a WiiU/Switch. That's the platform you have to reference, PS4 is more powered, and the comparison with a PS4 game is silly imho.

And, well, art style is gorgeous is BOTW. Also, graphics mean nothing to me if the gameplay, exploration, combat and setting are good as hell.

But, well, this debate also means nothing to me. I'll play both games, and I hope both are awesome.

In the end, we should all hope both games do well. Regardless of which one scored better than the other, we can't deny that both games are providing content that are unique from one another. If you're compelled to favor one or the other that's fine. Whether it's a new IP or a new installment to one of the greatest franchises ever in video games, a great game is a great game.



Kai_Mao said:
Volterra_90 said:

No shit. Zelda runs on a Switch, Horizon on a PS4. If Zelda had better graphics, it'd speak badly about Horizon. Let's deduct points fron Horizon too, becuse there're better looking games in high-end computers, and it doesn't reach 4k then! 

Please, don't be unrealistic. Zelda graphics and scale of the world are pretty impressive on a WiiU/Switch. That's the platform you have to reference, PS4 is more powered, and the comparison with a PS4 game is silly imho.

And, well, art style is gorgeous is BOTW. Also, graphics mean nothing to me if the gameplay, exploration, combat and setting are good as hell.

But, well, this debate also means nothing to me. I'll play both games, and I hope both are awesome.

In the end, we should all hope both games do well. Regardless of which one scored better than the other, we can't deny that both games are providing content that are unique from one another. If you're compelled to favor one or the other that's fine. Whether it's a new IP or a new installment to one of the greatest franchises ever in video games, a great game is a great game.

Yep, exactly. Good games, no matter where they release, are always good for gaming. We have our personal preferences (I tend to favour Nintendo because they're my favourite developers, nothing wrong about that). But outside personal preferences, I'm always glad that good and acclaimed games release constantly in every platform.



After a few hours, Horizon feels absolutely nothing like a Zelda game and much more like Rise of the Tomb Raider. It's kind of shocking, actually. Luckily, I love that game (also an 88 on Metacritic to anyone wondering).

Now, to play more!



BigT said:
Oh god, here we go with the " nintendo has the best games ever " argument. Its sad really. I guess MS and sony have been dominating this gen based off of nothing but luck.

That's an argument? That sounds like an opinion.



BigT said:
monocle_layton said:

Wii  U was marketed horribly and had nonexistent third party support. Even the 3ds received more games for it.

 

It's just a bad console. Even good marketing would have given it modest results.

Thinking about getting a wii u. Do you suggest I skip It?

I would skip but if you do get one, look into hacking it. I'm tempted to hack my own.